Was G. Soros responsible for financial collapse in Thailand?

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Is G. Soros Guilty of Having Caused Thailand to Collapse Financially?
Guilty 13%  13%  [ 1 ]
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pandabear
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17 Jun 2011, 9:23 am

George Soros has been accused of quite a lot of things, most recently on this internet message board

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf163566-0-150.html

of having caused Thailand to collapse financially. The source article cited is this:

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199 ... s-its.html

The pertinent section of George Soros' wikipedia entry reads thus:

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In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, the Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Following on a history of antisemitic remarks, Mahathir made specific reference to Soros's Jewish background ("It is a Jew who triggered the currency plunge") and implied Soros was orchestrating the crash as part of a larger Jewish conspiracy. Nine years later, in 2006, Mahathir met with Soros and afterwards stated that he accepted that Soros had not been responsible for the crisis.In 1998's The Crisis of Global Capitalism: Open Society Endangered Soros explained his role in the crisis as follows:
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The financial crisis that originated in Thailand in 1997 was particularly unnerving because of its scope and severity.... By the beginning of 1997, it was clear to Soros Fund Management that the discrepancy between the trade account and the capital account was becoming untenable. We sold short the Thai baht and the Malaysian ringgit early in 1997 with maturities ranging from six months to a year. (That is, we entered into contracts to deliver at future dates Thai Baht and Malaysian ringgit that we did not currently hold.) Subsequently Prime Minister Mahathir of Malaysia accused me of causing the crisis, a wholly unfounded accusation. We were not sellers of the currency during or several months before the crisis; on the contrary, we were buyers when the currencies began to decline – we were purchasing ringgits to realize the profits on our earlier speculation. (Much too soon, as it turned out. We left most of the potential gain on the table because we were afraid that Mahathir would impose capital controls. He did so, but much later.)


Various right-wing media outlets (such as Fox News, Lyndon LaRouche and Inuyasha) continue to excoriate Mr. Soros for having caused Thailand's financial troubles. For example,

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/6804

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The fascist mob laying siege to Bangkok today is a classic example of the Soros-financed "rose" and "orange" revolutions across Eastern Europe and Central Asia, even if the color in Thailand is Royal Yellow, and they don't need Soros's money. It must be remembered that Soros infamously launched the 1997 speculative assault on Thailand in a fit of rage that Thailand and its neighbors were bringing Myanmar into the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN). Soros, the financier and leader of the world's movement to legalize drugs, was furious that Myanmar had wiped out the opium trade, forging peace agreements with the ethnic drug armies and unifying the country for the first time since the British colonization. He was even more furious with ASEAN for befriending Myanmar and rejecting his anti-Myanmar hysteria.

The Soros-linked mobs on the streets today against Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej, as in 2006 against the former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, are but a continuation of Soros's brutal economic destruction of Thailand in 1997, in which Soros personally stole billions of dollars from Thailand's government and population. It is also no coincidence that Prime Minister Thaksin's "war on drugs" in Thailand in 2003 was a major target of the global Soros-funded human rights mafia, building towards the 2006 coup, nor that Prime Minister Samak has discussed reviving the war on drugs this year.

Lyndon LaRouche, briefed on this situation, noted that the drug question is central to the current global strategic crisis. Without wiping out the drug traffickers, he said, there is no security anywhere. The example of Colombia crushing the FARC narco-terrorists, thus opening up the possibility of rail and infrastructure development across the Colombia/Venezuela region, is a case in point. As also in Afghanistan, where the failure to attack the drug lords has made the war on terror an impossible task, and the entire war on Afghanistan a brutal, failed policy.

LaRouche added that international cooperation on this issue is essential. Such cooperation requires the recognition that Soros is a Nazi, and has been since he was 14, aiding the Nazis in his native Hungary, that this is his ideology, and his conditioning through life. The Thailand operation, and similar operations in Ibero-America and elsewhere, are precisely the kind of fascist operations he would do - with his British controllers turning him loose to do so.


So, how do you find the defendant?



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17 Jun 2011, 9:28 am

Ridiculous. One man can not bring down a nation's financial structure. It must have been rotten to begin with.

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17 Jun 2011, 10:22 am

That's a POLL?

Like you think anyone here has access to the facts?

Why not a poll on what was Attila's middle name?

Or whether vedgies on alien planets taste good?



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17 Jun 2011, 10:58 am

Philologos wrote:
That's a POLL?

Like you think anyone here has access to the facts?

Why not a poll on what was Attila's middle name?

Or whether vedgies on alien planets taste good?


more like a trial would a thoughtful person think Soros destroyed the thai economy
and if he did it was it on purpose? and what was his motive?


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17 Jun 2011, 12:27 pm

Yeess - you could call it a trial assuming that you keep thr requirement of a jury who knows nothing until informed by the lawyer.

So - Who is prosecuting, who is defending, and when will the witnesses start testifying?

Me, I would beg the court to excuse me from jury duty - I have urgent family business and in any case I am disqualified because I have heard of Soros.



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17 Jun 2011, 12:47 pm

Philologos wrote:
Yeess - you could call it a trial assuming that you keep thr requirement of a jury who knows nothing until informed by the lawyer.

So - Who is prosecuting, who is defending, and when will the witnesses start testifying?

Me, I would beg the court to excuse me from jury duty - I have urgent family business and in any case I am disqualified because I have heard of Soros.


You're not getting off that easily. By now, every regular PPR member has heard of Soros.

I doubt that the Blagoyevich trial is limited to jurors who never heard of him.

Prosecuting him will, of course, be the usual band of "Conservative" PPR members who watch Fox News, etc.

The Prosecution's opening statement began thus:

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“What is most troubling to me about this,” Diamond added, “is that the Fed’s QE2 is in alignment with George Soros’s agenda to destroy global capitalism.” The decline of the dollar “is what George Soros wants and what he has proposed in the past,” he noted.

Soros, the billionaire hedge fund operator who finances various leftist and Marxist groups, including Media Matters, has made his fortune by betting on the collapse of national economies and currencies. He was convicted of insider trading in France.

Media Matters recently received $1 million from Soros so that it could try to mute the effectiveness of conservative media organizations and personalities, some of them critical of Soros.

In recent Fox News programs, Glenn Beck has been focusing on the decline of the dollar and how Soros has proclaimed that “an orderly decline of the dollar is actually desirable.” Programs like these have made Beck into a top target of Media Matters.

AIM has been warning for years about the intentions of Soros, noting in a 2004 report that he “specializes in weakening or collapsing the currencies of entire nations for his own selfish interests.”

We noted, “Despite his vision of an ‘open society,’ he operates an unregulated ‘hedge fund,’ open only to the super-rich.” His Soros Fund Management is a member of the “founder’s council” of the Managed Funds Association (MFA).
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/soros-bet ... -collapse/

One of the world's leading investors and the man famed for "breaking the Bank of England" in 1992, George Soros, told the World Economic Forum yesterday that the current financial crisis is even worse than what was experienced during the Great Depression of the 1930s.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 19190.html

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Thailand comes to mind.
George Soros used the above events and concerns in order to lead a speculative attack on the Thai baht--the official currency of Thailand. To understand speculative currency attacks, one must understand how fixed exchange rates are maintained. If an exchange rate is fixed above equilibrium, then a surplus of the currency emerges and the government must buy up this surplus (paying for it with foreign reserves) in order to keep the exchange rate from falling. If an exchange rate is fixed below equilibrium, then a shortage of the currency emerges and the government can maintain the fixed exchange rate by printing more currency and exchanging it for additional foreign reserves.

This author does not know the actual amounts of money used in George Soros' speculative attack against the Thai baht in the spring of 1997; therefore, the numbers used in this paragraph to illustrate how a speculative attack is conducted are hypothetical. First, George Soros bought forward currency contracts on the baht in the spring of 1997. Forward currency contracts are legal agreements to exchange currency at an agreed upon rate at some date in the future. Perhaps these forward contracts gave Soros the option of selling baht at the rate of one US$ for 26 baht in January of 1998. Next Soros sells all of his baht, convinces all of his friends to sell their baht, and advertises the current problems of the Thai economy (see above) in an effort to get others to sell their baht. Soros advertised Thailand's problems because he wanted to create a panic where all foreign investors would want to sell their baht immediately for fear its value was on the verge of collapse. As everyone begins selling baht (and no one wants to buy it), the Thai government must buy up the resulting surplus in order to maintain the fixed exchange rate. Thailand spent US$6.8 billion and committed at least an additional US$23.4 billion in forward obligations in an effort to maintain the fixed exchange rate (Leightner 1999; note Thailand had US$39 billion of foreign reserves in January 1997). On July 2, 1997, the BOT gave up its fixed exchange rate and floated the baht (stopped buying and selling to keep the baht's value fixed). By January 1998, the baht had fallen to US$1 for 54 baht. In January 1998, George Soros could exchange US$1 billion for 54 billion baht on the spot market (the market using current prices). He could then use his forward contracts to exchange the 54 billion baht for more than US$2 billion--more than doubling his money. (2) Soros took advantage of Thailand's problems to make a huge personal profit and in the process Thailand was devastated.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199 ... s-its.html



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17 Jun 2011, 2:05 pm

Soros was a big believer in using financial power to punish the countries the policies of which he didn't like though in the end it was more than just Soros who is guilty. It's the whole lot of them.



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17 Jun 2011, 2:09 pm

xenon13 wrote:
Soros was a big believer in using financial power to punish the countries the policies of which he didn't like though in the end it was more than just Soros who is guilty. It's the whole lot of them.


With what Thai policy did Mr. Soros disagree? Was he seeking to punish Thailand for maintaining a fixed exchange rate?



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17 Jun 2011, 2:59 pm

Soros presently has ongoing the Southeast Asia Initiative and the Burma Project

http://www.soros.org/initiatives/bpsai/ ... s-20100610

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Southeast Asia Initiative
The Southeast Initiative makes grants to organizations that promote human rights, independent media, and civil society development in Cambodia, East Timor/Timor Leste, Laos, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam as well as regional projects in Southeast Asia. If you seek funding for Indonesia-specific projects, please visit the Yayasan TIFA website.

The following are the Southeast Asia Initiative's current grantmaking priorities:

Access to Justice;
Independent Media Development and Access to Information;
Civil Society Participation in Good Governance.

Burma Project
The Burma Project, established by the Open Society Institute in 1994, is dedicated to increasing international awareness of conditions in Burma and helping the country make the transition from a closed to an open society. To this end, the Burma Project prioritizes projects targeting marginalized communities including ethnic minorities, women and youth.

The following are the Burma Project's current grantmaking priorities:

Advocacy efforts that promote change in Burma;
Documentation of rights abuses that complement advocacy efforts;
Community empowerment and skills training that aim to strengthen civil society inside Burma and along its borders;
Support for media and information dissemination to people inside Burma, the diaspora, and the international community.


These goals do seem a tad "liberal." Since American Conservatives regard the Burma Project as an outrage, they must consider Burma to be a model "Conservative" country, even though the country's official English name was "The Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma" (although, granted, the ruling military junta removed the word "Socialist" in 1989, when the official English name was changed to "Union of Myanmar")

It is primarily "Liberals" in the USA who have any concern at all about human rights in Burma/Myanmar.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8inPfHg_0[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAsRihuNSWg&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

Since George Soros is allegedly taking on both Fox News and Burma's repressive military dictatorship, both entities must really have a lot in common.



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17 Jun 2011, 4:35 pm

Soros has done many evil things, but I have no evidence this is one of them.

Thailand's recent damage was done by their own home grown Soros equivalent in the person of Thaksin.



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17 Jun 2011, 4:39 pm

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Soros has done many evil things, but I have no evidence this is one of them.

Thailand's recent damage was done by their own home grown Soros equivalent in the person of Thaksin.


Can you please provide a brief summary of George Soros' evil deeds? So you are saying that there is no evidence to convict Mr. Soros of having caused Thailand to collapse financially?



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17 Jun 2011, 6:57 pm

pandabear wrote:
psychohist wrote:
Soros has done many evil things, but I have no evidence this is one of them.

Thailand's recent damage was done by their own home grown Soros equivalent in the person of Thaksin.


Can you please provide a brief summary of George Soros' evil deeds? So you are saying that there is no evidence to convict Mr. Soros of having caused Thailand to collapse financially?


He isn't known for Breaking the Bank of England for no reason...

He uses his money and got other people to dump their stock of a particular currency to cause a collapse of said currency and then when the currency is super devalued he buys a bunch of it so when it rebounds somewhat he sells it again and makes a profit. That is how he makes his money.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:58 pm

Who's George Soros?


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17 Jun 2011, 7:02 pm

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Who's George Soros?


He's a multi-billionaire whom has an organization known as Quantum Fund, that he used to cause financial collapses in several countries. He also has monetary ties to several major news organizations throughout the United States.



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17 Jun 2011, 7:04 pm

Why would someone want to cause financial collapse?


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17 Jun 2011, 7:06 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
psychohist wrote:
Soros has done many evil things, but I have no evidence this is one of them.

Thailand's recent damage was done by their own home grown Soros equivalent in the person of Thaksin.


Can you please provide a brief summary of George Soros' evil deeds? So you are saying that there is no evidence to convict Mr. Soros of having caused Thailand to collapse financially?


He isn't known for Breaking the Bank of England for no reason...

He uses his money and got other people to dump their stock of a particular currency to cause a collapse of said currency and then when the currency is super devalued he buys a bunch of it so when it rebounds somewhat he sells it again and makes a profit. That is how he makes his money.


Has he now been acquitted of evil in Thailand, and we are now on the Bank of England?

So, he and others convert their pounds to other currencies (dollars, for example), which causes pounds to fall in value relative to other currencies (e.g., the dollar). Then he buys pounds again when the value is low, and sells them again when the value is high.

So, what is the problem with this? Is it that you think the only legitimate way to earn a living is at a desk job, or on a construction site, where you are paid by the hour? Are you pro-proletarian and anti-bourgeois?