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Is Aspie an Advocacy / Political Party, Group, Ideology or Activism?
Yes 25%  25%  [ 2 ]
Maybe 25%  25%  [ 2 ]
No 50%  50%  [ 4 ]
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06 Sep 2011, 12:22 am

It is confusing because some tell me of the Aspie perspective but I am not sure if they consulted the other aspies. Is aspie part of the Asperger's pride movement?


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06 Sep 2011, 12:44 am

The only ASD lobby group I'm aware of is the ASAN. Quite frankly, I find the idea of most other groups getting politically active and drawing attention disturbing because they are such a liability.


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06 Sep 2011, 12:50 am

Major reason why I don't join nothing and even social advocacy groups in official capacity but in personal capacity I simply have extreme focuses on my professional capacity. Best I can do is neutralization activism. Other then that I don't much bother with anything but make smelly things with others and speak motivationally and try new not so controversial ideas with the public.


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06 Sep 2011, 5:01 am

im 100% certain what i meant by is aspie a political viewpoint.if what is meant is,is there a dominent aspie viewpoint i would say no.i dont think there is a aspie view point a lot more people are like me out there who viewpoints dont fall into the cliche's.


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06 Sep 2011, 5:12 am

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im 100% certain what i meant by is aspie a political viewpoint.if what is meant is,is there a dominent aspie viewpoint i would say no.i dont think there is a aspie view point a lot more people are like me out there who viewpoints dont fall into the cliche's.


It all seems like a great deal of peer pressure social games. I'd have to conclude it is very little different then typical human social behaviors within a group with the exception it can be very political. Peer to peer social pressure for the image of autism, the idea of autism as a whole and when it is not proper some try to remove the individual truths. Some governing biases of motivation and resulting influence are mainstream abortion related, image of autism to adapt such as employment and potentially perceivable self-image in relation to stereotypes when applied to an individual vs another. Anothers inferiority that can be percieved can at times be sought to be excluded from the image of autism such as said cobrid and seeking to blaim another disability like cognitive impairment to seek it to be unrelate as potential stereotype with another's self-image.

In other-words folk as usual but with particular focuses of relevant concern.


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06 Sep 2011, 9:02 am

How can a self-indentifying name be a political party?



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06 Sep 2011, 12:08 pm

I wouldn't consider it a party Mr. G. I'd consider it individuals exposed to common political themes and whom at times it would seem come up with collective mutual opinions in larger groups. It's essentially an activism theme relating to identity. As it is related to an identity having to do with a disorder the similarity of having it relating to a disorder and ones identity thus central self-image certain topics are more on average interpreted certain ways because of the relation to identity focus. Some but could call it a political cult but I don't think it is that intense of a belief system but it can be mind altering in the sense issues are learned to be taken personally when comparability other disability issues in other kinds of groups are not for other people and without the social identity in relations to disorder simplex manifest.


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06 Sep 2011, 2:17 pm

ci wrote:
I wouldn't consider it a party Mr. G.

Then why did you put political party in the title if you knew it wasn't?

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Some but could call it a political cult but I don't think it is that intense of a belief system but it can be mind altering in the sense issues are learned to be taken personally when comparability other disability issues in other kinds of groups are not for other people and without the social identity in relations to disorder simplex manifest.

So basically anyone who believes this is delusional? What reason do you have for this? Also who are you referring to?



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06 Sep 2011, 4:50 pm

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ci wrote:
I wouldn't consider it a party Mr. G.

Then why did you put political party in the title if you knew it wasn't?

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Some but could call it a political cult but I don't think it is that intense of a belief system but it can be mind altering in the sense issues are learned to be taken personally when comparability other disability issues in other kinds of groups are not for other people and without the social identity in relations to disorder simplex manifest.

So basically anyone who believes this is delusional? What reason do you have for this? Also who are you referring to?


The topic is not about what I believe only but how might others classify it. No I wouldn't say believing in a social identity is a delusion when in fact when diagnosed and if believing one has a condition it is not a false belief. With regards to that subject I'd have to conclude it can lead to hypersensitivity of certain issues in relation to the self-identity "simplex". Simplex as in slang for not really a psychological complex of depth but simply really cut and dry simple.

To me I see the aspie and it's common social beliefs and conditions a soft (not hardened ideological framework) political social activism theme.


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07 Sep 2011, 3:26 am

ci wrote:
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ci wrote:
I wouldn't consider it a party Mr. G.

Then why did you put political party in the title if you knew it wasn't?

ci wrote:
Some but could call it a political cult but I don't think it is that intense of a belief system but it can be mind altering in the sense issues are learned to be taken personally when comparability other disability issues in other kinds of groups are not for other people and without the social identity in relations to disorder simplex manifest.

So basically anyone who believes this is delusional? What reason do you have for this? Also who are you referring to?


The topic is not about what I believe only but how might others classify it. No I wouldn't say believing in a social identity is a delusion when in fact when diagnosed and if believing one has a condition it is not a false belief. With regards to that subject I'd have to conclude it can lead to hypersensitivity of certain issues in relation to the self-identity "simplex". Simplex as in slang for not really a psychological complex of depth but simply really cut and dry simple.

To me I see the aspie and it's common social beliefs and conditions a soft (not hardened ideological framework) political social activism theme.

I don't care about what others think because you can't speak for them in this regard and also I have no idea who you are talking about anyway. Also what is deceptively complex? Can you actually say what they are saying is such? I don't think anyone on here can actually say that they aren't sensitive about their views and furthermore many think they are entitled to subjective beliefs. That isn't just common to whoever these 'aspies' are. Although I thought aspie was self-identification for quite a lot of people and certainly not part of a political party.



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07 Sep 2011, 3:52 am

Deceptively complex?

It was made clear as in quite simple and not that complicated. The aspie is not a political party but a self-identity with a disorder label activism theme. Everyone is entitled to their own views, personal liberties and self-definitions. It's just when anyone tried to evade treatment rights for others while enticing their views of the dignity of a disorder label be followed or else it cannot be progressed is where the conflict is. 100,000,000 calling themselves aspies could attempt to evade one persons with autism views that autism is a disability that he or she seeks a cure for and not one or them all could evade that persons liberties. My suggestion is to respect the dignity of individuals who are disabled that want treatment advancements and whom see the label just as the impairments and not the entire mind and it's personality while seeking to wreak havoc on anothers treatment liberties. It just won't work unless you enact socialism or the some of them as in the leaders finally get paid off like they want. Personally I wouldnt accept any pay off to speak against treatment advancement rights as it is a sacred and fundamental American liberty in idea.


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07 Sep 2011, 4:13 am

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Deceptively complex?

It was made clear as in quite simple and not that complicated.

That's what I meant by deceptively complex. Deceptively complex means it seems complex when it isn't. It just means the same thing as you already said but in a way that is ingrained in to how the english language already work.
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The aspie is not a political party but a self-identity with a disorder label activism theme.

So what's with the title?
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Everyone is entitled to their own views, personal liberties and self-definitions.

That seems a bit silly. I don't think, for example, that someone is actually able to misrepresent themselves at all socially. Think of all the chaos it could lead to? The first thing I could think of is nationalist sentiments, like how groups of people claim 'we are the best'.
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It's just when anyone tried to evade treatment rights for others while enticing their views of the dignity of a disorder label be followed or else it cannot be progressed is where the conflict is. 100,000,000 calling themselves aspies could attempt to evade one persons with autism views that autism is a disability that he or she seeks a cure for and not one or them all could evade that persons liberties.

Yeah but just believing you're an aspie or something doesn't actually mean you hate people who want to cure themselves or something.
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My suggestion is to respect the dignity of individuals who are disabled that want treatment advancements and whom see the label just as the impairments and not the entire mind and it's personality while seeking to wreak havoc on anothers treatment liberties.

One should also respect the dignity of people who don't. Claiming that ASAN is self-centered in one of your posts without actually giving evidence of why they are doesn't seem to show that you are doing that.
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It just won't work unless you enact socialism or the some of them as in the leaders finally get paid off like they want. Personally I would accept any pay off to speak against treatment advancement rights as it is a sacred and fundamental American liberty in idea.

I want you to actually say why and how these people are paying off any one. I want proof.



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07 Sep 2011, 4:33 am

That's what I meant by deceptively complex. Deceptively complex means it seems complex when it isn't. It just means the same thing as you already said but in a way that is ingrained in to how the english language already work.

In social settings of a myriad of different people it is complicated. First I look at the macro projections then view the conflict and potential indirect causation to rights as an example.

So what's with the title?

Grabbing your attention and creating conversion.

That seems a bit silly. I don't think, for example, that someone is actually able to misrepresent themselves at all socially. Think of all the chaos it could lead to? The first thing I could think of is nationalist sentiments, like how groups of people claim 'we are the best'.

I am not sure why you say this.

Yeah but just believing you're an aspie or something doesn't actually mean you hate people who want to cure themselves or something.

With peer pressure of a certain way deriving obviously the non-respect toward certain individuals I figure a little peer pressure in the other direction to gain proper respect for others individual choices is simple social justice.

One should also respect the dignity of people who don't. Claiming that ASAN is self-centered in one of your posts without actually giving evidence of why they are doesn't seem to show that you are doing that.

ASAN is very much about a particular view while confronting others views whom they personally choose not to like. They hate the word cure, they use abortion in protests to make demands for money and when doing so jeopardize the welfare of others over their frantic one sided beliefs. I will only admit that an extreme might be to preoccupies with it's concerns to reflect upon just how self-centered their approaches are that risk others for the sake of a little respect.

I want you to actually say why and how these people are paying off any one. I want proof.

Prove this statement wrong. Did ASAN or did they not guilt the public about autism abortion politics while making demands for support services for what seemed like very high functioning people in the protest videos? They indeed would like to receive compensation while actively in the same context accusing the American public of human cleansing in potential while their supporters online accuse my country which my father serves and I grew up in a military family of being like Nazi's and people dressed as Jewish people protest as well? All very coincidental and cannot be linked from online to offline becuase they know how to play their political games right and if anyone believes it for sure they will just be considered autism bigots but those ASAN folks are the worse kinds of public relations campaigners and advocates I've ever come across and I want them no where near me, the public to know they don't speak for me and they can ship their own arses to some desert Oasis if they don't like it.


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07 Sep 2011, 4:57 am

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Prove this statement wrong. Did ASAN or did they not guilt the public about autism abortion politics while making demands for support services for what seemed like very high functioning people in the protest videos?]/quote]
What protest videos? Link me. Also as I already said in another thread the fact is other syndomes have faced the same problem. Down's and Edward's syndrome (as Vermont said) both proclaimed that given the tools to screen in the womb people just aborted their children rather than have them. That isn't guilting. That's truth.
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They indeed would like to receive compensation while actively in the same context accusing the American public of human cleansing in potential while their supporters online accuse my country which my father serves and I grew up in a military family of being like Nazi's and people dressed as Jewish people protest as well?

First: Where did they say human cleansing?
Second: Just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean other people wont do it
Third: Just because the Americans fought the Nazis doesn't mean they wont ever do anything wrong
Fourth: Just because your father fought for a country doesn't mean the people in that country are faultless.
Fifth: How does saying that just because the Nazis did it mean it is less likely to happen?
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All very coincidental and cannot be linked from online to offline becuase they know how to play their political games right and if anyone believes it for sure they will just be considered autism bigots

Well if you have no proof then how could you believe for sure? Also what political games? Also how does all of that being coincidental mean ASAN is evil? Your dad fought against the Nazis as an american soldier. The Nazis did ethnic cleansing. You say that ASAN accuse the american public of ethnic cleansing. Doesn't make sense.
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but those ASAN folks are the worse kinds of public relations campaigners and advocates I've ever come across and I want them no where near me, the public to know they don't speak for me and they can ship their own arses to some desert Oasis if they don't like it.

But I am still searching for the proof of what you have said. What videos? What words? Where? Just explaining you have an antipathy towards ASAN because your Dad fought the Nazis isn't going to cut it. I need proof. Also that desert oases is a cruel and unusual punishment don't you think?



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07 Sep 2011, 5:05 am

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What protest videos? Link me. Also as I already said in another thread the fact is other syndomes have faced the same problem. Down's and Edward's syndrome (as Vermont said) both proclaimed that given the tools to screen in the womb people just aborted their children rather than have them. That isn't guilting. That's truth.

Look them up on YouTube yourself. I've posted them here before as well. Women have rights and it doesn't make them Nazi's but if you want to change the law change them. I will have no part in abortion politics or the angry consuming biases.





First: Where did they say human cleansing?
Second: Just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean other people wont do it
Third: Just because the Americans fought the Nazis doesn't mean they wont ever do anything wrong
Fourth: Just because your father fought for a country doesn't mean the people in that country are faultless.
Fifth: How does saying that just because the Nazis did it mean it is less likely to happen?

Just someone has autism and don't they don't get their way doesnt make others Nazi's when obviously they are not.


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All very coincidental and cannot be linked from online to offline becuase they know how to play their political games right and if anyone believes it for sure they will just be considered autism bigots

Well if you have no proof then how could you believe for sure? Also what political games? Also how does all of that being coincidental mean ASAN is evil? Your dad fought against the Nazis as an american soldier. The Nazis did ethnic cleansing. You say that ASAN accuse the american public of ethnic cleansing. Doesn't make sense.

Eugenics...

It's all part of the same kind of complex. ASAN makes people believe Americans and others in the world hate people with autism. In return some of those same with autism believe others are Nazi's when they are not. The horrible hatred seems to be from those manipulated by groups like ASAN.



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but those ASAN folks are the worse kinds of public relations campaigners and advocates I've ever come across and I want them no where near me, the public to know they don't speak for me and they can ship their own arses to some desert Oasis if they don't like it.


But I am still searching for the proof of what you have said. What videos? What words? Where? Just explaining you have an antipathy towards ASAN because your Dad fought the Nazis isn't going to cut it. I need proof. Also that desert oases is a cruel and unusual punishment don't you think?


Look up the videos yourself. I'm not a fetch boy dog.

Look at the protest signs. Yes autism rights are human rights. I'm using mine now to say my country gives me my human rights and more and they are out to launch with their manipulative anger.

People must learn to get along with one another and not make mountains out of mole hills to get their way. ASAN teachers people with autism how to contrive, create hard feelings and use lying propaganda to attempt to get their way. They are in for a bit of an attitude adjustment and reality check.

If you want me to reply in a coordinated sense to your post use numbers making points 1,2,3,4 as this quote system is burdensome.


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07 Sep 2011, 5:24 am

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Look up the videos yourself. I'm not a fetch boy dog.

Well what if I don't know where to look? Also as you're making an argument about how these people are wrong then you are expected to provide evidence if asked. Also doesn't that seem a bit sharp telling me to do that?

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Look at the protest signs. Yes autism rights are human rights. I'm using mine now to say my country gives me my human rights and more and they are out to launch with their manipulative anger.

I don't mean offense but by out to launch do you mean out to destroy? I don't know why patriotism affects the veracity of their message. I also don't think there is proof of them actually 'attacking america'.

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People must learn to get along with one another and not make mountains out of mole hills to get their way.

You haven't actually provided any proof about how these people are not making completely agreeable suggestions about why anything happened. Also mountains out of molehills? There could be lives at stake according to these people. That's a big mountain.
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ASAN teachers people with autism how to contrive, create hard feelings and use lying propaganda to attempt to get their way. They are in for a bit of an attitude adjustment and reality check.

Again do you actually have any reason for them doing any of this?

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If you want me to reply in a coordinated sense to your post use numbers making points 1,2,3,4 as this quote system is burdensome.

No, what is burdensome is having to use a 1,2,3,4 system all the time as it is excessively bureaucratic. With my style I actually point out what I feel is wrong with each thing you say in turn so you know why I said it. There is nothing burdensome about being clear, sharp or detailed.