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30 Oct 2011, 8:34 pm

So, I was asking an NT female to describe her impressions of the people in the "Autism Speaks" video, episode 14, which was comprised of aspergian hosts.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6rbLSp8Ys&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

She's pretty normal as far as her understanding of people go and she's actually really socially perceptive. This is what she had to say:

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The girl seems pretty normal, really. The guy on the left seems more on the mildly-socially-awkward, nerdy/geeky side, but not anything too weird - he does seem maybe a little more aloof than usual because he tends to look at the camera while other people are talking (he also has kind of a concerned look on his face... I don't know if that's just how his face is?). The guy in the middle seems more visibly autistic-ish - he looks like he feels awkward / unsure of what to do, has some awkward mannerisms, seems to be forcibly fake-smiling most of the time, doesn't have much to say and the things he does say are pretty stilted. None of them are repulsive to me, though.


Interesting. Looking at the research, there's little to no objective tests that differentiate aspergian females from neurotypical females, other than a trend of large differences in subtest scores in standard IQ and memory testing, and many aspergian females on here seem to be conversationally and "socially" normal. So, essentially, other than minor oddities such as sensory sensitivities, aspergerian females are normal. Most eventually marry and/or have relationships and they have little to no troubles socially that are significantly worse than what a typical NT female has. Now, of course, I'm talking about the "average" aspergian female -- the aspergian or autistic females that are worse off are going to have a harder time, obviously, but other than that -- the average aspergian female is normal.



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30 Oct 2011, 8:37 pm

Yes, I am normal.


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30 Oct 2011, 8:55 pm

I think Asperger's manifests itself slightly different in females because of social expectations.

Nevertheless, they should still fit the criteria including the part which states that the disturbances cause significant impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of function. I wonder what her disturbances are? I have read her blogs and tbh I don't think she fits the criteria anymore (if she were to get a re-evaluation). My brother had classic autism (speech delay, extreme sensory issues, obsessed with trains) but he grow out of it.

Hans Asperges stated that "one can spot children instantly. They are recognizable from small details, for instances, the way they enter the consulting room in the first few movements and the first words they utter"



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30 Oct 2011, 9:09 pm

melanieeee wrote:
I think Asperger's manifests itself slightly different in females because of social expectations.

Nevertheless, they should still fit the criteria including the part which states that the disturbances cause significant impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of function. I wonder what her disturbances are? I have read her blogs and tbh I don't think she fits the criteria anymore (if she were to get a re-evaluation). My brother had classic autism (speech delay, extreme sensory issues, obsessed with trains) but he grow out of it.

Hans Asperges stated that "one can spot children instantly. They are recognizable from small details, for instances, the way they enter the consulting room in the first few movements and the first words they utter"


So, it essentially appears that the primary deficits affect ones life most when you're young, which is when a greater severity in autistic traits happen at a time when people are cooped up in this social petri dish called school. When the average aspergian female graduates from highschool or college, she possesses the skills necessary to succeed within whatever social context, and then no longer forced being around her peers in a classroom, whatever social deficits remaining no longer really have any relevance. It can actually be advantageous in typical heterosexual relationships where the ideal female, for some men, is someone who doesn't talk much and can more "relate" to guys.

Since the average aspergian female, like NT females, finds herself dependent in a relationship where the male brings home the bacon, so to say, she can basically sit back and relax and type on a forum reminiscing about their torturous earlier years with fellow aspergians. Although, it appears many move beyond the days of yore, and just enjoy the day to day existence with living securely and free of worry and trouble, other than dealing with those pesky sensory processing issues.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:12 pm

So because one NT calls one Aspie female normal seeming via one video, now the average aspie female is normal?

This makes no sense at all.

And your assessment than Asperger's isn't a disability to (average) adult females is insulting, even if happen to be a more "severe" than average case.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:17 pm

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So because one NT calls one Aspie female normal seeming via one video, now the average aspie female is normal?

This makes no sense at all.


It's not only that, the objective tests show the average aspie female is pretty much normal, socially speaking.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:19 pm

swbluto wrote:
It's not only that, the objective tests show the average aspie female is pretty much normal, socially speaking. Also, you've had pretty normal relationships with any worse trouble than typical NT relationships and you're obviously doing fine whatever you're doing, so you're obviously not suffering like some of us autistic males.


Citation needed.

Also, Tuttle's dealing with more difficulties than you seem to be aware of.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:22 pm

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Also, Tuttle's dealing with more difficulties than you seem to be aware of.


You're right.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:24 pm

How is it possible to know the severity of someone's problems over the internet?


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30 Oct 2011, 9:25 pm

I wouldn't say that aspie/autie females are normal. From what I've observed in those autstic females other than myself, I've determined that aspie female issues may be more present depending on the type of socialization expected. Examples would be issues with the career finding and interviewing process or specific facets of relationships (determining who does/not genuinely care about them, etc.). Sensory issues seem to be constant.


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30 Oct 2011, 9:25 pm

I read somewhere (Attwood's book or one of those kinds of books) that Asperger males were much more likely than Asperger females to marry.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:26 pm

swbluto wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Also, Tuttle's dealing with more difficulties than you seem to be aware of.


There's a difference between reality and exaggerated interpretations of it due to someone's tendency to dramatize. I'm focusing on the reality.


What reality? You don't know Tuttle from anywhere but this forum.

This looks pretty melodramatic, though:

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It's not only that, the objective tests show the average aspie female is pretty much normal, socially speaking. Also, you've had pretty normal relationships without any more trouble than typical NT relationships and you're obviously doing fine with whatever you're doing (What, you're considered "cute, small and naive" by the average person? Boohoo.), so you're obviously not suffering like some of us autistic males.


Also, where's your citation? What research says that women diagnosed with AS are on average "socially normal?"



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30 Oct 2011, 9:26 pm

swbluto wrote:
It's not only that, the objective tests show the average aspie female is pretty much normal....


Citation needed.

Silly post is silly.


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30 Oct 2011, 9:26 pm

swbluto wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Also, Tuttle's dealing with more difficulties than you seem to be aware of.


There's a difference between reality and exaggerated interpretations of it due to someone's tendency to dramatize. I'm focusing on the reality.


lol i thought you were the schizophrenic?

anyway many clinicians including tony attawood have stated it may be less subtle in females. nevertheless, it doesn't mean that it can be generalisable to each and every female.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:28 pm

All three people in the video seem perfectly normal to me, and the males do not seem any weirder in any way than the female. But that's only me watching.



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30 Oct 2011, 9:32 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Also, where's your citation? What research says that women diagnosed with AS are on average "socially normal?"


Well, it was research done into emotional recognition and facial recognition along with verbal fluency and memory, which is pretty much THE underlying constructs for socialization. I would find the research articles for you, but they're so inconvenient to find so it's right until proven to be false by whatever hard evidence you or anyone else brings up.