People often hide there true feelings from others

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23 Nov 2011, 4:05 am

So I was reading a bit through "Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships" and I came across this very rule I put in the title. And this was the very rule that drove me haywire paranoid throughout the last 4 years of college because I completely took it too literally and was crazy thinking that people were always hiding that they truly hated me. Then it has only been recently when im slowly learning how to think in shades of gray that while its true, people are rarely completely fake to each other. There's certain gestures which people do to show if they like someone and if they dont. It took me 4 years to learn this.

One way my friend told me once was that, "even if we were married, he wouldn't tell what he truely thought of me." So in more of a general sense, people aren't completely two-sided. When they are, there evil(or I think so).

So has this social rule ever driven anybody else completely crazy as well?

Edit #1: Unfortunately the book only enforces the constructs of the rule and it does not go into how to the deal with the paranoia of being aspergers and knowing this. "I'm aspergers, I dont read social cues, ahhhh I couldnt read that, what did they say......yyyyyyy!" I simply learned this rule after I learned a particular friend in HS admitted to me she was being fake after being exasperated with me that fact that I kept thinking she was the happiest person on earth. In reality, she was on anti-depressants and she would insist on acting happy all the time.



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23 Nov 2011, 4:23 am

Yes, this has and continues to bug me on a daily basis. I'm a bit on the paranoid side as it is, so I always worry that they're being nice for ulterior reasons. Or that they're just pretending to be nice, or that their compliments are not genuine, but according to these people, they wouldn't bother doing as much as they do if they didn't actually like me.... I still find it hard to believe though...


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23 Nov 2011, 4:42 am

It's so wicked, isn't it? I just choose not to trust/care about people at all or make sure I think of them worse than they do about me.



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23 Nov 2011, 5:04 am

I never knew people did that often. But I don't care what people think of me or if they like me or not. I have always known as an adult, grown ups will be nice to people even if they don't like them because it's the way it is in society, the rules, only as*holes wouldn't follow it and they will treat you bad if they don't like you. It's something my mother taught me growing up and watching the movie What Women Want and since I didn't care, I didn't get all paranoid because I don't care. So maybe I instinctively knew it existed, I just wasn't aware of the rule being spelled out. I was aware of the actions, not the words.



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25 Nov 2011, 10:53 am

It still freaks me out when I try to fathom how much people lie to make themselves sound better and stuff.

I used to know someone who was a pathological liar, in contrast to my stark honesty and pretty much inability to lie. When I think about it, it makes me feel so icky, like... do you realize how many times people's lies are compounded with lies in response, so with every addition to a conversation, we move farther and farther away from the truth? It's hard to explain. But I mean, like, if someone tells me a story that is exaggerated and didn't really happen to them, and I comment on it, then they respond to the comment still pretending the story is true, etc... by the end of the conversation I will feel like I got to know the person, but really, I didn't learn ANYTHING about them. All I learned was a lie.

Anyone know what I mean? I hate it. It makes me not want to talk to people.



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26 Nov 2011, 9:05 pm

I try when I meet people or some that I known for minute(usually not much after that because they are heading for the door) that they need to be honest with me about what they are feeling and tell me if I over step any boundaries. I tell them that I am ok with them being that honest because I will not get it any other way and I have a lot people tell me they have no problems being honest and up front but I find that most who even say that they r real honest about what they want and need r not as honest as honest as requesting them to be. They always seem to be holding something back. This frustrates me to no end because I cannot change what I do not know and I want to be better so I can have friends but a lot of what I deal with lies outside my ability to see socially. Then because they are unable to be honest and help me change or become more aware of what I doing they leave. This has happen over and over again.



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26 Nov 2011, 11:19 pm

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I try when I meet people or some that I known for minute(usually not much after that because they are heading for the door) that they need to be honest with me about what they are feeling and tell me if I over step any boundaries. I tell them that I am ok with them being that honest because I will not get it any other way and I have a lot people tell me they have no problems being honest and up front but I find that most who even say that they r real honest about what they want and need r not as honest as honest as requesting them to be. They always seem to be holding something back. This frustrates me to no end because I cannot change what I do not know and I want to be better so I can have friends but a lot of what I deal with lies outside my ability to see socially. Then because they are unable to be honest and help me change or become more aware of what I doing they leave. This has happen over and over again.


So relate to this. People tell me over and over again that they are upfront and honest but then over and over again there not. It seems to be an NT thing, in the rule that your not suppose to say. Upfront and honest means something different. So I learned not to take peoples words for it anymore. Trying to find some balance between not being paranoid but realizing that almost no one is upfront and honest. Ugh its the NT thing, you gotta read body language and a persons actions indicates what they mean because NTs wont show it.


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27 Nov 2011, 11:46 am

Ai_Ling wrote:
rastachucker wrote:
I try when I meet people or some that I known for minute(usually not much after that because they are heading for the door) that they need to be honest with me about what they are feeling and tell me if I over step any boundaries. I tell them that I am ok with them being that honest because I will not get it any other way and I have a lot people tell me they have no problems being honest and up front but I find that most who even say that they r real honest about what they want and need r not as honest as honest as requesting them to be. They always seem to be holding something back. This frustrates me to no end because I cannot change what I do not know and I want to be better so I can have friends but a lot of what I deal with lies outside my ability to see socially. Then because they are unable to be honest and help me change or become more aware of what I doing they leave. This has happen over and over again.


So relate to this. People tell me over and over again that they are upfront and honest but then over and over again there not. It seems to be an NT thing, in the rule that your not suppose to say. Upfront and honest means something different. So I learned not to take peoples words for it anymore. Trying to find some balance between not being paranoid but realizing that almost no one is upfront and honest. Ugh its the NT thing, you gotta read body language and a persons actions indicates what they mean because NTs wont show it.


You are right and you think that by now that I would have learn this because I had this happen to me by so many NTs that I should learn that they cannot be honest in the way I asking them too. It is if I was blind I need them to tell me where every obstacle and thing is in my way. That just does not seem to be there like there honest to a point and your suppose to get the rest that there not honest about. But how can you when you r socially blind? That is almost expecting a blind man to cross the street on his own. I know for me it bugs me because it means that my time with that person is going to be short lived because of the fact I going to over step some social boundaries or not pick up on some ques and they will get sore and leave. Happens over and over again.



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27 Nov 2011, 1:08 pm

Do you guys look directly into people's eyes? It can help somewhat because I've found it's the window into their soul. I didn't used to do it but I started and it made a world of difference in connecting with people and knowing a bit of what they are feeling. If you know what they feel, then you have an idea of if they are being fake.



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27 Nov 2011, 1:56 pm

^that's impossible half the time, turns out people are scarily good liars 8O

OP i'm confused if you're talking about being two-faced and pretending to like someone when you don't; or if you mean things like putting on a brave face and prentending not to like someone when you do



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27 Nov 2011, 2:02 pm

If I showed my true feelings, I'd walk around depressed all day. We've all got to put masks on for the external world, Aspies and NTs alike.



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27 Nov 2011, 2:13 pm

Ai_Ling wrote:
So I was reading a bit through "Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships" and I came across this very rule I put in the title. And this was the very rule that drove me haywire paranoid throughout the last 4 years of college because I completely took it too literally and was crazy thinking that people were always hiding that they truly hated me. Then it has only been recently when im slowly learning how to think in shades of gray that while its true, people are rarely completely fake to each other. There's certain gestures which people do to show if they like someone and if they dont. It took me 4 years to learn this.


They aren't always conscious or deliberate. Actually, it's really hard to completely mask true feelings, they come through in small ways. There are usually clues. Make a study of body language.


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