Why I fail to take most of feminism seriously!

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Ok, feminism is originally supposed to advocate womens rights and gender equality, that's fine, that's good, women do deserve equal pay and the right to choose to abort and such its her decision and yes female rape victims and victims of domestic violence yes they deserve sympathy and protection. There is massive awareness of sexism towards women and they call men out on it and blame men for it and then assume every man is a rapist. Now of course thats radical feminism talk I realize that and i realize there is moderate feminism and such, but when it comes to a case when a man is a victim of rape or domestic violence or is sexually harrassed or has dealt with misandrist jokes its overlooked, laughed at or ignored? Aren't men human as well? Then there's the whole slut shaming thing yeah slut shaming is wrong and stupid they oppose it but then again when there are sex positive feminists they get slut shamed and labled MRA supporters? Then there's the big question from feminists why non feminists assume feminism = radical feminism, femnazism and or misandry? Its quite simple a lot of the radical feminists or for short femnazis not to confuse the jargon feminism= feminism, femnazism=radical feminism misandrists and such. Most feminists refuse to speak out against the radical leaders of their groups maybe because they are afraid? Doing so in a way involuntarily upholds the stereotype and assumption of feminism= man hatred when its not really the case but sad to say it gives out that message to men and women. That is my take on it and advice on the matter anyway.

The interesting thing is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_liberation never mentioned at all in just about every feminist thread I have read or come across which could end the the false assumptions on feminism but i think even other feminists associate that with MRA and Misogyny when it really isn't at all. A lot of feminism disregard male sufferers because it is not important to them because men aren't important at all, they are the oppressors after all when not all men are the ones in power but merely other people under the system. Which leads to constant confusion and wrong assumption since the loud mouth man hating radicals send the message out as the rest of the followers stay silent out of fear of being labled as anti feminists when they aren't at all. I could say the same thing about MRA but to me they are merely reverse feminists encouraging woman hatred so neither is much different to me. I merely like to call out on the contradictions and hypocracy of it all which is why I joke and play games about the whole thing because really they need to realize both genders are screwed over, get abused and oppressed and raped ignoring the other gender while only focusing on your own results in failure of your movement as your silent and mindless of following a radical leader that you secretly don't agree with at times fail to speak up against and in a way your allowing yourself to be oppressed. Remember this you have a voice speak up against the radical side do whatever it takes to spread the message that its not just for women stand up against oppression from your radical leaders and truly show the world your for equality! If you don't, sadly to say you'll be viewed as most of us ignorant folks view as just a woman only man hating group and not to be taken seriously and lumped with the WestBoro Baptist Church and the KKK. That's how the masses of non feminist view the groups these days which explains the constant villifications. Take down the radicals who advocate S.C.U.M. etc and put out a loud voice for men as well as women and maybe, just maybe the movement may get a better and different view from others and change might progress at a much better pace.

A lot of people do fail to appreciate how much of a burden responsibility is:

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/comm ... 78651.html

I'll add to her article that even relatively wealthy men in the 1950s didn't have time for the kind of shenanigans that go down on Mad Men. My grandfather was hardly middle class, but he worked too many hours and came home exhausted.

Oh good, yet another feminism thread.

^^ No worries to be safe Im going to be a bit more mello and level headed on this one TallyMan. Its not gonna be some hate thing or clowning around but merely and explanation why groups don't speak up against radical leaders or radical members of their movement is all. I am kinda in a way providing advice which I don't do too often as a means to help the movement to prevent the movement from maintaining a bad name and getting the insta radical feminist man hater label by non feminists.

I think the same advice could work for any group that has a radical leader though followers following a radical leader should not be silenced by their own fear to speak out against members of their group too extreme that is ruining their movements reputation as a whole.

For once im going to be somewhat mature and serious on the subject matter a subject matter I normally don't take seriously at all and of course the reason why I have never taken it seriously at all until now and at this rare moment.

I don't really identify as feminist but maybe in a way I am one but don't know it I really identify as a humanist or egalitarian because there's more than oppression of genders and such. I believe in equality but more than that I hope to strive to rid the world of hatred apathy and suffering but alas I don't have that power as time goes by and many activist groups try to strive for equality and such but they fight amongst themselves and eachother, they have posers framing their cause and I notice that none of them speak out against it. Those posers get to me as well as the radicals not only because they are extreme but the fact that the members of the groups refuse to speak out against them. The constant fighting and mudslinging is slowing progress as a whole as these quirrels continue on as more wars are being waged more people are being oppressed and killed. If all these groups were for equality and a good cause why dont they all work on that together Instead of blaming other groups? Much more progress could be done and differences must be set aside if a common goal for equality to be attained.

Who are these "radical leaders" you speak of exactly?

Since when do all feminists assume all men are rapists? (Although, considering the percentage of women who will experience some form of sexual assault in their life, it's probably safer for them to assume that all men are rapists, something you would probably understand a lot better if you were a woman and not a man)

Why is it the responsibility of all feminists to "call-out" these "radical leaders" you speak of? There are a ton of pretty crazy and extreme "men's rights leaders" (including those who advocate rape) I've seen out there and I don't see a whole lot of men calling those people out, but also why do you care so much? There are extreme people on every side of every issue and there is always someone there to call them out.

Why is it that you feel the need to keep bringing up the topic of feminism in a negative way?

You seem to have a problem with generalisations being made about men, but you don't seem to have a problem with making generalisations about feminists, why is that?

You may want to consider a new topic of interest...

I support feminism in cases where women are genuinely being mistreated, i.e. in countries where women aren't regarded as human beings, places where women aren't payed the same wages as men, etc. What I don't support is the idea of giving women MORE rights than men. The way I see it, men and women are different, but equal, and should be regarded as such.

I don't consider myself a feminist, and I don't consider myself an MRA either. I'm just a guy who supports HUMAN rights. I may have some misanthropic tendencies, and I may not like most people, but there are enough good people out there that I am willing to support them. After all, I probably wouldn't be such a misanthrope in the first place if other people were more willing to respect me as a fellow human being (which I am physically, though mentally I am more like an intelligent alien ).

What do you mean when you say 'given more rights than men'?