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16 Jun 2014, 1:24 pm

Does anyone know if homeschooling was an option in the mid 60's-late 70's? When you read my story, I believe you will agree that homeschooling would have been my best option--but only if my parents had had the patience.

I went to public school from 1965-1977. I was bullied all the way through school. My school years were pure hell. Kids made fun of me, pushed me around, stole my books, and called me ret*d. At graduation, though, I evened the score by graduating in the top 5 of my class magna cum laude. I still have no desire to see my classmates because, unlike other kids, I did not form any lasting friendships. I was never part of a group--I never fit in anywhere and today I still don't belong.

My teachers told my parents during my elementary years that I had some serious issues, but nothing was done. Instead of trying to help me, my parents would scold me about them getting called to the school constantly, and they would ask me why couldn't I be like the other kids so they wouldn't pick on me. That was totally beside the point--I was different and I couldn't help it. When I was in the fifth grade, the school sent me to a psychologist who in turn sent me to a neurologist in Atlanta. Instead of this being a day off and a fun time, my parents ranted and raved about losing time from work and how it was all my fault. They kept bringing it up for a long time afterward saying there was nothing wrong with me and I had cost them unnecessary money. The truth was, something was wrong but they did not know what. They did not do an EEG, which, I later found out, was supposed to have been done. The neurologist told my parents that I was just "odd" (a primitive term for Asperger's, 1970) and they would just have to live with it. A few weeks later, I was expelled from my elementary school for disruptive behavior and had to finish the year at a different school. From there, things just went downhill. My grades plummeted because I wasn't trying, I would fly into rages at home and try to harm myself so I wouldn't have to go back to that school. I was hoping that I could be put in a hospital for a while. Not surprisingly, nothing was done.

I had no close friends, so I couldn't talk to anyone because no one understood. I believe the counselors, staff, and teachers knew that I was different, but did not know what to do since I was an honor student. Surely something could have been done, like social skills training, or putting me in a special school.

Other than homeschooling and special ed, do you know of anything else that could have been done? I would really like some ideas.



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16 Jun 2014, 1:32 pm

In my home state I believe (but could be wrong) that it was only an option, back them if the parent had at least a Master's degree. I don't know if you needed a teacher's cert also, but I am pretty sure about the Master's Degree.

If you are in the U.S it is/was regulated on a state-by-state basis.



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16 Jun 2014, 1:37 pm

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
In my home state I believe (but could be wrong) that it was only an option, back them if the parent had at least a Master's degree. I don't know if you needed a teacher's cert also, but I am pretty sure about the Master's Degree.

If you are in the U.S it is/was regulated on a state-by-state basis.


well I guess that would not be an option since neither of my parents finished high school.



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16 Jun 2014, 3:32 pm

I don't know what the rules were in Georgia, but rules were much stricter then, as a general rule.

Are you trying to figure out if you should be mad at them for not home schooling you?

Edited to add the rest:

If they had to work and were mad about missing one day off to take you to the doctor, they would probably have not had been financially able to have one parent forgo work to home school you.

I don't think back then there were a lot of options. I am a bit younger than you, and when there were not any real options for kids who were 'different" back then. I don't think schools had a whole lot of services and I don't know what was available private pay and what insurance would have covered.

I was not diagnosed, and had a pretty ****** time with the social aspect and other kids. I would have loved not having to be there, but I try not to think about it too often. Sometimes, when my son was in public school, things would happen that reminded me of my childhood and it made me especially sad for him b/c of the parallels.



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16 Jun 2014, 3:37 pm

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
I don't know what the rules were for the state you were raised in, but rules were much stricter then, as a general rule.

Are you trying to figure out if you should be mad at them for not home schooling you?



they've already screwed up my life by not getting me the help I needed so I could have a career, friends, and a satisfying life. I hate them and I'm glad they're out of the picture. In answer to your question, sure, why not?



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16 Jun 2014, 3:48 pm

It's unlikely that you could have been diagnosed by anyone as a child, given your stated age. Autism used to be considered a rare condition, and was only diagnosed in non-verbal or otherwise severe cases. It wasn't until the late 1980s and the movie "Rainman" that most people even heard of it. So that part, at least, you can't blame on your parents.



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16 Jun 2014, 3:48 pm

cooler8625 wrote:
ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
I don't know what the rules were for the state you were raised in, but rules were much stricter then, as a general rule.

Are you trying to figure out if you should be mad at them for not home schooling you?



they've already screwed up my life by not getting me the help I needed so I could have a career, friends, and a satisfying life. I hate them and I'm glad they're out of the picture. In answer to your question, sure, why not?


There are a lot of things I was mad at my parents about, too, mainly my mom. Sometimes I think about it. Mostly I don't b/c it does no good. She can't help who she is anymore than I can help certain aspects of myself that I don't much like. The anger didn't help me.

If you feel like righteous anger will help you, then have at it. I just never felt it pragmatically useful even when emotionally satisfying.

Your mileage may vary. I wish you peace.



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16 Jun 2014, 3:51 pm

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
cooler8625 wrote:
ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
I don't know what the rules were for the state you were raised in, but rules were much stricter then, as a general rule.

Are you trying to figure out if you should be mad at them for not home schooling you?



they've already screwed up my life by not getting me the help I needed so I could have a career, friends, and a satisfying life. I hate them and I'm glad they're out of the picture. In answer to your question, sure, why not?


There are a lot of things I was mad at my parents about, too, mainly my mom. Sometimes I think about it. Mostly I don't b/c it does no good. She can't help who she is anymore than I can help certain aspects of myself that I don't much like. The anger didn't help me.

If you feel like righteous anger will help you, then have at it. I just never felt it pragmatically useful even when emotionally satisfying.

Your mileage may vary. I wish you peace.


One more question: Is it possible that my parents had issues themselves but never got help? If that is the case should I just forgive them for doing the best they could?



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16 Jun 2014, 4:03 pm

cooler8625 wrote:
ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
cooler8625 wrote:
ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
I don't know what the rules were for the state you were raised in, but rules were much stricter then, as a general rule.

Are you trying to figure out if you should be mad at them for not home schooling you?



they've already screwed up my life by not getting me the help I needed so I could have a career, friends, and a satisfying life. I hate them and I'm glad they're out of the picture. In answer to your question, sure, why not?


There are a lot of things I was mad at my parents about, too, mainly my mom. Sometimes I think about it. Mostly I don't b/c it does no good. She can't help who she is anymore than I can help certain aspects of myself that I don't much like. The anger didn't help me.

If you feel like righteous anger will help you, then have at it. I just never felt it pragmatically useful even when emotionally satisfying.

Your mileage may vary. I wish you peace.


One more question: Is it possible that my parents had issues themselves but never got help? If that is the case should I just forgive them for doing the best they could?


You know your parents and I don't, but yeah, there is a hereditary element to it. There are also other conditions that commonly occur in families with ASD. My husband and I both lack formal diagnoses, but I have it, my husband has it milder but with ADD, my son has a stronger form, my dad I am sure had it, and who knows who else. My mom is NT but has undiagnosed OCD traits and tons of anxiety. So my family is basically an alphabet soup of things.

Just based on your posts, your parents must have had a lot of financial stress (Based on the prolonged anger about missing work) and I don't know what else. Maybe what they did was the best they could do, I don't know. They should have been more sympathetic, certainly, but sometimes stress impacts how a person reacts. Old school type people also tend to think things like AS are a load of nonsense, and they tend not to change their minds no matter what anyone tells them.

You knew them. What do you think?

Edited for literacy.



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16 Jun 2014, 4:19 pm

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
cooler8625 wrote:
ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
cooler8625 wrote:
ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
I don't know what the rules were for the state you were raised in, but rules were much stricter then, as a general rule.

Are you trying to figure out if you should be mad at them for not home schooling you?



they've already screwed up my life by not getting me the help I needed so I could have a career, friends, and a satisfying life. I hate them and I'm glad they're out of the picture. In answer to your question, sure, why not?


There are a lot of things I was mad at my parents about, too, mainly my mom. Sometimes I think about it. Mostly I don't b/c it does no good. She can't help who she is anymore than I can help certain aspects of myself that I don't much like. The anger didn't help me.

If you feel like righteous anger will help you, then have at it. I just never felt it pragmatically useful even when emotionally satisfying.

Your mileage may vary. I wish you peace.


One more question: Is it possible that my parents had issues themselves but never got help? If that is the case should I just forgive them for doing the best they could?


You know your parents and I don't, but yeah, there is a hereditary element to it. There are also other conditions that commonly occur in families with ASD. My husband and I both lack formal diagnoses, but I have it, my husband has it milder but with ADD, my son has a stronger form, my dad I am sure had it, and who knows who else. My mom is NT but has undiagnosed OCD traits and tons of anxiety. So my family is basically an alphabet soup of things.

Just based on your posts, your parents must have had a lot of financial stress (Based on the prolonged anger about missing work) and I don't know what else. Maybe what they did was the best they could do, I don't know. They should have been more sympathetic, certainly, but sometimes stress impacts how a person reacts. Old school type people also tend to think things like AS are a load of nonsense, and they tend not to change their minds no matter what anyone tells them.

You knew them. What do you think?

Edited for literacy.


I agree. Thanks for your insight.



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16 Jun 2014, 5:52 pm

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It's unlikely that you could have been diagnosed by anyone as a child, given your stated age. Autism used to be considered a rare condition, and was only diagnosed in non-verbal or otherwise severe cases. It wasn't until the late 1980s and the movie "Rainman" that most people even heard of it. So that part, at least, you can't blame on your parents.



what about a special school or social skills training? Would that have been feasible?



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16 Jun 2014, 6:03 pm

I was probably diagnosed with autism in the early-mid 1960s. I was nonverbal at the time. I, apparently, exhibited typical Kanner-type symptoms. After I started speaking in 1966, I would not have been diagnosed with autism based upon my symptoms. Instead, it was thought (though not officially) that I had "brain-injury," and that I was a "brain-injured" child. I attended a "brain-injured" nursery school.

In the first grade, I attended a special program in a New York City public school. There are children with all kinds of disabilities in my classroom. There was a even a deaf kid who used to tease me.

I attended a school for emotionally-disturbed kids from 2nd through 5th grade. There were actually no grades. The curriculum was normal for its time, I believe. We sat in seats, the teacher wrote on the board, we had homework. If I acted up, I was thrown out of the class and sat down in the hall until I calmed down.

I attended "regular school," with okay academic and awful social results from 6th to 8th grade.

In high school, I attended a private school for "gifted underachievers," from which I graduated.

Autism did exist then; there was even a commercial about it sometime in the early 1970s. It showed a stimming child playing a piano, I believe. The voiceover mentioned "autistic children." I thought they were saying "artistic" at the time. Of course, autism was merely Kanner-type autism, known as either "infantile autism" or "childhood autism."

I would also put what is now known as "childhood disintegration disorder" in the category of autism as it stood in the 1970s--since I read many case studies of children who were explicitly called "autistic children," within which skills like speech were said to have been acquired by 18 months, but were lost six months to a year later. The child would be referred to a psychologist, who would usually diagnose "infantile autism."

I doubt it that I could have been homeschooled in my childhood (until 1979, when I turned 18). I don't think New York State had provisions for it. A kid had to go to school, or else the house would be visited by truant officers.



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16 Jun 2014, 6:27 pm

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I was probably diagnosed with autism in the early-mid 1960s. I was nonverbal at the time. I, apparently, exhibited typical Kanner-type symptoms. After I started speaking in 1966, I would not have been diagnosed with autism based upon my symptoms. Instead, it was thought (though not officially) that I had "brain-injury," and that I was a "brain-injured" child. I attended a "brain-injured" nursery school.

In the first grade, I attended a special program in a New York City public school. There are children with all kinds of disabilities in my classroom. There was a even a deaf kid who used to tease me.

I attended a school for emotionally-disturbed kids from 2nd through 5th grade. There were actually no grades. The curriculum was normal for its time, I believe. We sat in seats, the teacher wrote on the board, we had homework. If I acted up, I was thrown out of the class and sat down in the hall until I calmed down.

I attended "regular school," with okay academic and awful social results from 6th to 8th grade.

In high school, I attended a private school for "gifted underachievers," from which I graduated.

Autism did exist then; there was even a commercial about it sometime in the early 1970s. It showed a stimming child playing a piano, I believe. The voiceover mentioned "autistic children." I thought they were saying "artistic" at the time. Of course, autism was merely Kanner-type autism, known as either "infantile autism" or "childhood autism."

I would also put what is now known as "childhood disintegration disorder" in the category of autism as it stood in the 1970s--since I read many case studies of children who were explicitly called "autistic children," within which skills like speech were said to have been acquired by 18 months, but were lost six months to a year later. The child would be referred to a psychologist, who would usually diagnose "infantile autism."

I doubt it that I could have been homeschooled in my childhood (until 1979, when I turned 18). I don't think New York State had provisions for it. A kid had to go to school, or else the house would be visited by truant officers.



I guess, when you look at it, nothing could have been done in my state of Georgia either. Autism was still in its infancy when we were growing up. But I enjoyed reading your story--very interesting.



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16 Jun 2014, 7:40 pm

Cooler8625 you are my clone, including the childhood time frame! Back then only people who lived out in the middle of nowhere or who were too sick to attend school, were home schooled, so there was no home schooling for me. I would have loved it, and benefited from it. As for people on the Autism/Asperger's spectrum, very few people, including very few doctors, had any clue about it's existence. They didn't know what was wrong with me. I was diagnosed with social problems, and discipline problems. The other kids would bully me, including sometimes hitting or shoving me, I would melt down from all the mistreatment, and the stress, but I was the "bad" one, for melting down. The instigators were never really blamed for their behavior.

As for special schools, been there, done that, didn't help. I spent 4 years at one, and had to deal with the same problems from the other kids there, too, so there was no escape from that kind of trouble. I was also bullied by neighbor kids, and my own siblings, so my childhood was hell. During the last year at the special school I went there part of the day, and spent part of the day at a regular school, as my parents wanted me back in regular school. The special school didn't have regular grade levels. They just taught the kids as the kids were able to learn. I lost a grade level there, which bothered my parents, which is why they pushed to have me mainstreamed again.

I have a number of spectrum issues, including but not limited to, minor sound sensitivity, skin sensitivity, brain processing problems with sound and time, social issues, minor motor skills problems, and Executive Function Disorder. Those are just the main problems.

Unfortunately, there is no magic way of fixing the past, or fixing us old timer Spectrumers. We just have to develop and use what coping methods we can find.

Yes, I do have some resentment over not being home schooled, but that just wasn't an option back then, so my parents can't be blamed for not being able to help me more, when even the doctors were clueless.

I have much stronger resentment for the kids who tormented me back then. Over time however, I have come to see that bad people usually eventually bring bad things on themselves because of the bad choices they make in life, so in essence these creeps have by now suffered from their own bad choices. For those who outgrew their evil ways, and those who reformed, I forgive them. I am always in favor of bad people reforming into good people.

For those of us who went through hell way back when, I can't fix the past, but I offer a verbal hug. I know that's not much, but I can also offer some advice. Try not to dwell too much on the bad parts of your life. Find things to do to occupy your mind and hands. Keeping occupied really does help, so if you have been wallowing in mental pain, you really need to find more stuff to do.

- Read
- Watch TV/movies
- Get some moderate exercise
- Eat healthier
- Get plenty of rest
- Take courses, either in person or online
- If unemployed, get a job, or start a business
- Do volunteer work
- Go to parks/museums/ and other places of interest
- Take up hobbies/crafts
- Get involved with local worship groups, if you belong to a religion
- Get involved in local theater groups
- Get involved in politics
- Get involved in other local activities and events

There are plenty of ways to keep occupied. Please try some of them, as they really do help. This helps me. :D



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16 Jun 2014, 9:31 pm

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Cooler8625 you are my clone, including the childhood time frame! Back then only people who lived out in the middle of nowhere or who were too sick to attend school, were home schooled, so there was no home schooling for me. I would have loved it, and benefited from it. As for people on the Autism/Asperger's spectrum, very few people, including very few doctors, had any clue about it's existence. They didn't know what was wrong with me. I was diagnosed with social problems, and discipline problems. The other kids would bully me, including sometimes hitting or shoving me, I would melt down from all the mistreatment, and the stress, but I was the "bad" one, for melting down. The instigators were never really blamed for their behavior.

As for special schools, been there, done that, didn't help. I spent 4 years at one, and had to deal with the same problems from the other kids there, too, so there was no escape from that kind of trouble. I was also bullied by neighbor kids, and my own siblings, so my childhood was hell. During the last year at the special school I went there part of the day, and spent part of the day at a regular school, as my parents wanted me back in regular school. The special school didn't have regular grade levels. They just taught the kids as the kids were able to learn. I lost a grade level there, which bothered my parents, which is why they pushed to have me mainstreamed again.

I have a number of spectrum issues, including but not limited to, minor sound sensitivity, skin sensitivity, brain processing problems with sound and time, social issues, minor motor skills problems, and Executive Function Disorder. Those are just the main problems.

Unfortunately, there is no magic way of fixing the past, or fixing us old timer Spectrumers. We just have to develop and use what coping methods we can find.

Yes, I do have some resentment over not being home schooled, but that just wasn't an option back then, so my parents can't be blamed for not being able to help me more, when even the doctors were clueless.

I have much stronger resentment for the kids who tormented me back then. Over time however, I have come to see that bad people usually eventually bring bad things on themselves because of the bad choices they make in life, so in essence these creeps have by now suffered from their own bad choices. For those who outgrew their evil ways, and those who reformed, I forgive them. I am always in favor of bad people reforming into good people.

For those of us who went through hell way back when, I can't fix the past, but I offer a verbal hug. I know that's not much, but I can also offer some advice. Try not to dwell too much on the bad parts of your life. Find things to do to occupy your mind and hands. Keeping occupied really does help, so if you have been wallowing in mental pain, you really need to find more stuff to do.

- Read
- Watch TV/movies
- Get some moderate exercise
- Eat healthier
- Get plenty of rest
- Take courses, either in person or online
- If unemployed, get a job, or start a business
- Do volunteer work
- Go to parks/museums/ and other places of interest
- Take up hobbies/crafts
- Get involved with local worship groups, if you belong to a religion
- Get involved in local theater groups
- Get involved in politics
- Get involved in other local activities and events

There are plenty of ways to keep occupied. Please try some of them, as they really do help. This helps me. :D


Thank you so much. Reading your post helped me realize I am not alone in my struggles. And thanks for the verbal hug--you made me feel so much better. Read some of my other posts if you think they will help you--we are similar in a lot of ways I can tell.



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YippySkippy wrote:
It's unlikely that you could have been diagnosed by anyone as a child, given your stated age. Autism used to be considered a rare condition, and was only diagnosed in non-verbal or otherwise severe cases. It wasn't until the late 1980s and the movie "Rainman" that most people even heard of it. So that part, at least, you can't blame on your parents.



what about a special school or social skills training? Would that have been feasible?


My husband who had behavior problems and we are pretty sure is an Aspie to Aspie light was in special school from elementary to middle school in the 70's. It was awful, the work was busy work even for gifted students like himself. All the special needs kids were mixed together and many of the behavior kids tormented the kids with physical problems and mental delays. Kids were manhandled and put through all kinds of testing and experiments in training. Kids who were average or had small learning disabilities rotted away because there was no academics. My husband being so gifted is the only reason he made it through the years of doing 1 or 2 grade worksheets over and over again. Their school outings were to fast food restaurants because it was assumed that was the best job they could aspire to.

Believe it or not that wasn't the worst story I have heard. I have good friend who is a special ed teacher and in the late 80's in KC kids diagnosed w Autism were separated from their parents into what was basically an institutionalized school.

It was stories like this that made me wait about a year to get my son diagnosed after it became clear he was not speaking and had very quirky behaviors. We were both a bit scared of special ed and what that meant for a gifted or even average intelligence child.