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20 Aug 2014, 7:02 pm

I am making a CV but i want it put me in the best light even if it means lieing.
No i don't mean fake quailfactions but lies like good people skills.

I don't see telling the truth getting me a job :(

Here is the cv(schools and contract details taken out for a few reason):
Personal Statement

I was born in 1996 and have been doing very well in school and want to move on with my life in the way of finding work as I want to work very much and don't mind even the nightshirts.
I love working will people all the time and love to be vary social and would be willing to take almost any jobs.
I also have very good people skills and I am very good with customers and can give advice that is needed for them to buy the end item.
I keep vary calm under pressure making me very good for a fast paced job.
Team work is some that I am really good as I love being around loads of other people but it does not matter too much as I am good in a team or on my own.


Key Skills

 Networking (Linux)
 Computer repairs
 Computer Building
 Customer support
 Good selling skills
 Vary calm person
 Vary good in teams and on my own.


Hobbies & Interests

I have got loads of friends and I am very good at being with people but I am also vary active and can even fix computers as needed by the company making me very useful.
I am known by my friends for being to handle high pressure things making me very good.



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20 Aug 2014, 7:25 pm

It's really not a good idea to lie about having great people skills and enjoying working with people if the opposite happens to be true for you. Because, even if you get the job for which you had to state that, you will wind up miserable in it if it is indeed a huge "people person" role you have to play.

Instead of lying and stating falsehoods about your people skills, why not state truths in a positive light? There are even advice/self help books that will give in-depth advice on how to do this. What it is, is that you frame, in a more upbeat way, the truths about yourself that may be viewed more negatively in less skilled language.

For example, if you are a loner, do not like to work closely with others, would hate to deal with the public, you can describe yourself as:

"A real self-starter, self-motivated, I am highly capable of working alone with self discipline, where my best work is done through intense focus. Once set on a task, I need little supervision. "

This statement veers away from saying "Leave me alone to get on with it!" and instead points out that you are very strong at being alone with a task.

What you have to do is "spin" things into the best possible light. "Loner" becomes "skilled at self-motivating in work tasks." "Doesn't want to socialize, be part of a team, or deal with people" turns into "Very good at being the strong, silent type working hard in the background."

Those aren't great examples, just stuff off the top of my head, and there are better things to put on an actual resume/CV. But if you see what I mean -- there's a way to not have to outright lie, but in fact tell the truth about yourself, while doing it in such a way that makes it sound desirable to an employer -- "can work alone very well, need minimal supervision for excellent results, self starter, etc"

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20 Aug 2014, 7:31 pm

You sound like you have some good qualifications.
You need to run your CV through a grammar and spell checker.

night shifts instead of nightshirts
very instead of vary

Under hobbies and interests you repeat kind of what you said in your personal statement. List some specific hobbies and interests. What do you do to keep active?

What kind of job are you interested in getting?
Often, entry level jobs don't actually want a CV but instead ask you to fill out an application.
BirdInFlight has some very good suggestions.



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20 Aug 2014, 7:32 pm

mmcool wrote:
I am making a CV but i want it put me in the best light even if it means lieing.
No i don't mean fake quailfactions but lies like good people skills.

I don't see telling the truth getting me a job :(

Here is the cv(schools and contract details taken out for a few reason):
Personal Statement

I was born in 1996 and have been doing very well in school and want to move on with my life in the way of finding work as I want to work very much and don't mind even the nightshirts.
I love working will people all the time and love to be vary social and would be willing to take almost any jobs.
I also have very good people skills and I am very good with customers and can give advice that is needed for them to buy the end item.
I keep vary calm under pressure making me very good for a fast paced job.
Team work is some that I am really good as I love being around loads of other people but it does not matter too much as I am good in a team or on my own.


Key Skills

 Networking (Linux)
 Computer repairs
 Computer Building
 Customer support
 Good selling skills
 Vary calm person
 Vary good in teams and on my own.


Hobbies & Interests

I have got loads of friends and I am very good at being with people but I am also vary active and can even fix computers as needed by the company making me very useful.
I am known by my friends for being to handle high pressure things making me very good.


I don't see why you have to list interpersonal skills on a CV, or a resume. The people doing the interview will find that out quickly enough when you are invited for an interview.



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20 Aug 2014, 7:33 pm

Although, honesty in a cv is advantageous, putting a little white lie in there to sell yourself better is better than being too honest.

There's a few things that can be done, maybe getting it proofread by someone else, getting it professionally looked at and any fancy formatting. There's things that employees look for, maybe excellent communication skills, numerical skills and such.

It could be structured differently don't know really... The personal statement could be more fleshed out... Perhaps removing the part of your date of birth, changing the I want to work part to something more like have ambitions to work in whatever field you are looking for.

There's spelling errors like nightskirts should be I assume nightshifts, I think there's grammar issues as well, though in not an expert really...

Lastly this should be looked at by an advisor, maybe someone who specialises writing CVs with people on the spectrum. There's probably online resources to learn how to craft a cv. Many go to college to do such.

It is a good start I think :)


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20 Aug 2014, 7:41 pm

BirdInFlight wrote:
It's really not a good idea to lie about having great people skills and enjoying working with people if the opposite happens to be true for you. Because, even if you get the job for which you had to state that, you will wind up miserable in it if it is indeed a huge "people person" role you have to play.

Instead of lying and stating falsehoods about your people skills, why not state truths in a positive light? There are even advice/self help books that will give in-depth advice on how to do this. What it is, is that you frame, in a more upbeat way, the truths about yourself that may be viewed more negatively in less skilled language.

For example, if you are a loner, do not like to work closely with others, would hate to deal with the public, you can describe yourself as:

"A real self-starter, self-motivated, I am highly capable of working alone with self discipline, where my best work is done through intense focus. Once set on a task, I need little supervision. "

This statement veers away from saying "Leave me alone to get on with it!" and instead points out that you are very strong at being alone with a task.

What you have to do is "spin" things into the best possible light. "Loner" becomes "skilled at self-motivating in work tasks." "Doesn't want to socialize, be part of a team, or deal with people" turns into "Very good at being the strong, silent type working hard in the background."

Those aren't great examples, just stuff off the top of my head, and there are better things to put on an actual resume/CV. But if you see what I mean -- there's a way to not have to outright lie, but in fact tell the truth about yourself, while doing it in such a way that makes it sound desirable to an employer -- "can work alone very well, need minimal supervision for excellent results, self starter, etc"

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most of the jobs ware i'm lickly moving to have you work in teams as they is only 1 or 2 jobs that you do on your own.



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20 Aug 2014, 8:25 pm

Lying on a CV will almost guarantee getting rejected for a job.

However, one can accomplish a similar objective by telling the truth, but not everything, or wording things in a more delicate, diplomatic, or palatable manner. As a previous responder said, someone who prefers to work alone could be described as a "self-starter" or "showing initiative".

Keep in mind that one should only tell what the interviewers need to know. Don't tell up front that, say, one had been fired from a previous employer unless it comes up in the conversation. If it does, one should be truthful but sparing with the details.

On the other hand, one should also ask the interviewers if there is anything else they may wish to know. That way, one extends the offer to find out more, including something embarrassing or scandalous, but the onus is on them to make that request. Remember this: do they really need to know that information? Would it affect your performance on the job if they did? For example, I often didn't mention my Ph. D. I figured if the interviewers needed to know out, I'd get them to make the move to find out.

However, one should be careful with that tactic. Somebody might think one had lied by not revealing such details, but that's debatable. Lying is a deliberate distortion of the truth. How could it be a lie if one didn't mention them when one was never asked about them to begin with?



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20 Aug 2014, 8:38 pm

Please don't lie on your CV. I have interviewed people for jobs. I can very easily detect if people are lying to me from years and years as a manager. Believe me, it doesn't work.



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21 Aug 2014, 2:50 am

If the only jobs you will be applying for are about teamwork, even then, it's best to not to outright lie with extensive statements about being great at teamwork and highly social/a people-person, even though it seems this is what the employer wants to hear.

Instead, try to focus any descriptions of yourself onto other good qualities you have -- if you're hardworking, or if you happen to be very reliable or punctual, or if there is a particular skill relevant to the work you're looking for, that you happen to have.

Try to choose to push forward any other relevant positive quality, rather than go overboard lying about a quality you don't have much of. I know it's hard when there is only a few opportunities in your area and you will have to fit those jobs or be in danger of having no job at all.

But still, it doesn't work out to lie on a CV. It's best to just omit any mention of a quality you lack, rather than overtly state that you possess that quality. Put in all your best qualities that would be the other things that employer is looking for.

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21 Aug 2014, 11:08 am

BirdInFlight wrote:
If the only jobs you will be applying for are about teamwork, even then, it's best to not to outright lie with extensive statements about being great at teamwork and highly social/a people-person, even though it seems this is what the employer wants to hear.

Instead, try to focus any descriptions of yourself onto other good qualities you have -- if you're hardworking, or if you happen to be very reliable or punctual, or if there is a particular skill relevant to the work you're looking for, that you happen to have.

Try to choose to push forward any other relevant positive quality, rather than go overboard lying about a quality you don't have much of. I know it's hard when there is only a few opportunities in your area and you will have to fit those jobs or be in danger of having no job at all.

But still, it doesn't work out to lie on a CV. It's best to just omit any mention of a quality you lack, rather than overtly state that you possess that quality. Put in all your best qualities that would be the other things that employer is looking for.

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It is that i have to sound as good as possible on the cv or they won't even allow me an interview.



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21 Aug 2014, 11:41 am

mmcool wrote:
BirdInFlight wrote:
If the only jobs you will be applying for are about teamwork, even then, it's best to not to outright lie with extensive statements about being great at teamwork and highly social/a people-person, even though it seems this is what the employer wants to hear.

Instead, try to focus any descriptions of yourself onto other good qualities you have -- if you're hardworking, or if you happen to be very reliable or punctual, or if there is a particular skill relevant to the work you're looking for, that you happen to have.

Try to choose to push forward any other relevant positive quality, rather than go overboard lying about a quality you don't have much of. I know it's hard when there is only a few opportunities in your area and you will have to fit those jobs or be in danger of having no job at all.

But still, it doesn't work out to lie on a CV. It's best to just omit any mention of a quality you lack, rather than overtly state that you possess that quality. Put in all your best qualities that would be the other things that employer is looking for.

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It is that i have to sound as good as possible on the cv or they won't even allow me an interview.

That's the reality nowadays.

Many job ads are deliberately written that way to disguise what's really going on. Labour law says that all qualified applicants have to be considered. However, quite often a preferred candidate has been unofficially selected, so employers go through the sham effort of holding interviews with people who might be good enough. Those people are ultimately rejected so that the one who is going to get the job is the one who's left over.

The institution I used to teach at did that when my last department head was chosen. It was required to do that not just by law but also by its internal regulations. Most of us, however, knew who was going to get the job.

Going through the dog and pony show prevents hiring discrimination lawsuits and is probably a lot cheaper.



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21 Aug 2014, 2:11 pm

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mmcool wrote:
BirdInFlight wrote:
If the only jobs you will be applying for are about teamwork, even then, it's best to not to outright lie with extensive statements about being great at teamwork and highly social/a people-person, even though it seems this is what the employer wants to hear.

Instead, try to focus any descriptions of yourself onto other good qualities you have -- if you're hardworking, or if you happen to be very reliable or punctual, or if there is a particular skill relevant to the work you're looking for, that you happen to have.

Try to choose to push forward any other relevant positive quality, rather than go overboard lying about a quality you don't have much of. I know it's hard when there is only a few opportunities in your area and you will have to fit those jobs or be in danger of having no job at all.

But still, it doesn't work out to lie on a CV. It's best to just omit any mention of a quality you lack, rather than overtly state that you possess that quality. Put in all your best qualities that would be the other things that employer is looking for.

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It is that i have to sound as good as possible on the cv or they won't even allow me an interview.

That's the reality nowadays.

Many job ads are deliberately written that way to disguise what's really going on. Labour law says that all qualified applicants have to be considered. However, quite often a preferred candidate has been unofficially selected, so employers go through the sham effort of holding interviews with people who might be good enough. Those people are ultimately rejected so that the one who is going to get the job is the one who's left over.

The institution I used to teach at did that when my last department head was chosen. It was required to do that not just by law but also by its internal regulations. Most of us, however, knew who was going to get the job.

Going through the dog and pony show prevents hiring discrimination lawsuits and is probably a lot cheaper.

So you can see the point of lieing on the CV?



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21 Aug 2014, 2:21 pm

If they catch you blatantly lying on a CV--such as claiming you have qualifications which you do not have, you will be fired immediately.

Birdie offers good advice here--emphasizing the positive within potentially "negative" trait such as singlemindness of task. You don't have to lie, say, and state that you have optimal "people skills." Instead, you could say, like Birdie stated, that you are a "self-starter" who will let nothing come between you completing any task. This implies that you are a hard, goal-oriented worker. That, in itself, without explicitly stating it, would IMPLY that you are a good "team player."

Anyway: what's stopping you from being a good "team player," anyway? You might actually like the job you are given, and the people you work with. This does happen with Aspies, by the way.

I'm not the best team player in the world--but I've managed to keep my job for 34 years. It's because I'm good at it.

Please also make considerable use of your Spell Check. Bad grammar, and bad spelling, will get you refused every time.



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21 Aug 2014, 2:47 pm

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If they catch you blatantly lying on a CV--such as claiming you have qualifications which you do not have, you will be fired immediately.

Birdie offers good advice here--emphasizing the positive within potentially "negative" trait such as singlemindness of task. You don't have to lie, say, and state that you have optimal "people skills." Instead, you could say, like Birdie stated, that you are a "self-starter" who will let nothing come between you completing any task. This implies that you are a hard, goal-oriented worker. That, in itself, without explicitly stating it, would IMPLY that you are a good "team player."

Anyway: what's stopping you from being a good "team player," anyway? You might actually like the job you are given, and the people you work with. This does happen with Aspies, by the way.

I'm not the best team player in the world--but I've managed to keep my job for 34 years. It's because I'm good at it.

Please also make considerable use of your Spell Check. Bad grammar, and bad spelling, will get you refused every time.

The only lies are saying things like i am good in teams and that i am social.



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21 Aug 2014, 3:44 pm

You really don't have to say you're "social." If you ever put that in a CV, they'll laugh at you. Don't say you're "social."

I would say that "I will do whatever it takes to obtain optimal results in any tasks put my way." This would include working as a team.



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21 Aug 2014, 3:52 pm

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katiesBoyfriend wrote:

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That's the reality nowadays.

Many job ads are deliberately written that way to disguise what's really going on. Labour law says that all qualified applicants have to be considered. However, quite often a preferred candidate has been unofficially selected, so employers go through the sham effort of holding interviews with people who might be good enough. Those people are ultimately rejected so that the one who is going to get the job is the one who's left over.

The institution I used to teach at did that when my last department head was chosen. It was required to do that not just by law but also by its internal regulations. Most of us, however, knew who was going to get the job.

Going through the dog and pony show prevents hiring discrimination lawsuits and is probably a lot cheaper.

So you can see the point of lieing on the CV?

OK, go ahead and fib. But what's going to happen when you're found out? Maybe someone will call a former employer or one of your references. Suppose their story about something is different than yours. What do you think your chances of getting that job will be? If an employer can't trust you to be truthful about yourself, why should it trust you with its money or other resources?

What if you mis-represented your academic qualifications and your employer finds out about it? I know of an incident where that occurred. At the institution I used to teach at, a certain department head suddenly resigned under mysterious circumstances. A subsequent investigation found that she never earned a particular degree that she claimed she had. She got away with it for years before she was found out but, by committing that fraud, she damaged the institution's reputation and who knows what other harm she did by hiding behind a phony credential.

Eventually, she went on trial, was found guilty of fraud, and did time in the crowbar hotel for her foolishness. Was lying on her CV worth it? She lost everything she worked for and built because of it.