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23 Sep 2014, 1:01 am

Are we just now about to cross the thresh hold into an era of Super Species where bio engineers manipulate DNA of various species, including ours, undergoing a process called cytoplasmic transfer, giving them a combination of enhanced abilities so they are more like gods than ever before? Will they alter the earth in ways we cannot even dream at the moment? Imagine several generations of humans with genetically enhanced, engineered super intelligence. It would be like myths coming to life.

And...could there be such a species already roaming the universe that has already enriched itself in this way? Maybe more than one?



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23 Sep 2014, 1:14 am

Not for a long while yet.

They know a little of what each of the genes do, but they don't know as much about gene splicing as the media would have us believe. To steal from Spock, each gene combination offers infinite diversity in infinite combination. A single gene has multiple possible uses, and each use may be directed by other genes.

At best, we can look forward to another couple of decades with millions of mice and fruit flies giving up their existence to such studies.

But one day..... one day...

.................... real superheroes maybe? :P


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23 Sep 2014, 2:22 am

I hope so.



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23 Sep 2014, 4:54 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Are we just now about to cross the thresh hold into an era of Super Species where bio engineers manipulate DNA of various species, including ours, undergoing a process called cytoplasmic transfer,

This is basically gobbledegook. Cytoplasmic transfer is the transfer of cytoplasm, not genes (DNA is stored in the nucleus). It is used to treat mitochondrial diseases pre-fertilisation.

As said above, there would first need to be genes for these superpowers. If the genes don't exist, we would need to make proteins that conferred those abilities ourselves and work backwards. However, our knowledge of genomics and proteomics is nowhere near that stage, and it would take a huge leap for us to be able to come up with genes that don't exist at all. Certainly "god-like powers" are going to be beyond us, as we are constrained by the laws of physics.

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And...could there be such a species already roaming the universe that has already enriched itself in this way? Maybe more than one?

Sure.



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23 Sep 2014, 5:50 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

And...could there be such a species already roaming the universe that has already enriched itself in this way? Maybe more than one?


yup, they're called super virusses and most are multi-drug resistant :lol:



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23 Sep 2014, 10:43 am

I personally think it's almost the opposite. Nature is much more advanced than science at creating a synergy of traits in human evolution as that relates to both genetics and even epigenetics in one lifetime.

What is often seen as disability can actually result in incredible human potential, as a result of the intricacies of 'my GOD' millions of years of nature's way of survival for the fittest to make it to reproduce.

Culture AND science, if anything has made humankind overall much weaker and even less inherently intelligent as our ancestors of distant prehistoric past, who have the REAL FULL intelligence to actually survive and thrive in the wild; a skill that would blow most people's mind and yes body too, in a relative heart beat of existence out there in the REAL jungle of the wild.

The illusion is that our collective intelligence and complex language makes us smarter, where in reality, it truly makes us weaker overall, and yes dumber too, as what standard IQ measures of what can be the totality of wild human intelligence, is far from what human FULL potential can be.

And no, what I say is not without scientific merit, Yogi's who have managed to undomesticated themselves epigenetically in one life, DO incredible feats of what can be described as relative super human feats of REAL LIFE abilities.

Go ahead science give it a whirl; make us dumber than we are, even now.

But the good news is, science is finally catching up with the YOGI, so yes perhaps there is hope for the human race to survive after all, and not kill itself off, through weakness and TRUE OVERALL intelligence of disability instead of INTELLIGENCE of strength in both MIND AND BODY as one and same.

It's not necessarily an issue of what we could be, it can be more of an issue of what we CAN BE, IF PROPERLY CHALLENGED AND MOTIVATED FOR CHALLENGE to simply but EFFECTIVELY adapt for the REAL THING of life.


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24 Sep 2014, 2:33 am

The_Walrus wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Are we just now about to cross the thresh hold into an era of Super Species where bio engineers manipulate DNA of various species, including ours, undergoing a process called cytoplasmic transfer,

This is basically gobbledegook. Cytoplasmic transfer is the transfer of cytoplasm, not genes (DNA is stored in the nucleus). It is used to treat mitochondrial diseases pre-fertilisation.

As said above, there would first need to be genes for these superpowers. If the genes don't exist, we would need to make proteins that conferred those abilities ourselves and work backwards. However, our knowledge of genomics and proteomics is nowhere near that stage, and it would take a huge leap for us to be able to come up with genes that don't exist at all. Certainly "god-like powers" are going to be beyond us, as we are constrained by the laws of physics.

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And...could there be such a species already roaming the universe that has already enriched itself in this way? Maybe more than one?

Sure.

We would manipulate the genes to such an extent they would produce super intelligence and create a generation of humans with above average intelligence to genius level. No one would have an below average or average IQ. Eventually, there wouldn't even be anyone with an IQ below 145.



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24 Sep 2014, 2:39 am

aghogday wrote:
I personally think it's almost the opposite. Nature is much more advanced than science at creating a synergy of traits in human evolution as that relates to both genetics and even epigenetics in one lifetime.

What is often seen as disability can actually result in incredible human potential, as a result of the intricacies of 'my GOD' millions of years of nature's way of survival for the fittest to make it to reproduce.

Culture AND science, if anything has made humankind overall much weaker and even less inherently intelligent as our ancestors of distant prehistoric past, who have the REAL FULL intelligence to actually survive and thrive in the wild; a skill that would blow most people's mind and yes body too, in a relative heart beat of existence out there in the REAL jungle of the wild.

The illusion is that our collective intelligence and complex language makes us smarter, where in reality, it truly makes us weaker overall, and yes dumber too, as what standard IQ measures of what can be the totality of wild human intelligence, is far from what human FULL potential can be.

And no, what I say is not without scientific merit, Yogi's who have managed to undomesticated themselves epigenetically in one life, DO incredible feats of what can be described as relative super human feats of REAL LIFE abilities.

Go ahead science give it a whirl; make us dumber than we are, even now.

But the good news is, science is finally catching up with the YOGI, so yes perhaps there is hope for the human race to survive after all, and not kill itself off, through weakness and TRUE OVERALL intelligence of disability instead of INTELLIGENCE of strength in both MIND AND BODY as one and same.

It's not necessarily an issue of what we could be, it can be more of an issue of what we CAN BE, IF PROPERLY CHALLENGED AND MOTIVATED FOR CHALLENGE to simply but EFFECTIVELY adapt for the REAL THING of life.


I have a slightly different way of thinking about it...my opinion is, human ignorance is what makes us appear to be less intelligent than our ancestors. We will take what others have figured out before and deliberately lose the information or destroy it by a small sect of ignoramuses who insist everyone live the way ignoramuses lived thousands of years ago. It is happening right now. Every now and then these extremists will appear in the human population and attempt to take control and if we let them. it will only mean losing, once again, our access to knowledge.

Or, a natural catastrophe of some kind could do the same thing, leaving a smaller population so traumatized and shell shocked, without access to any technology, kind of like starting over from scratch and living without the luxury of engineering progress.



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24 Sep 2014, 6:30 am

Yes, I agree with that, too.


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24 Sep 2014, 4:33 pm

so, if only one sentence were to survive the end of our civilization, let it be:
'all things are made of atoms, which are made of protons and neutrons, which in turn are made of quarks, and there's also leptons and gauge bosons and the higgs boson - that's how far we got.'

someone carve that into a clay pots, please.
Grayson Perry maybe.


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24 Sep 2014, 5:04 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
No one would have an below average or average IQ.


:scratch: Someone's going to be below-average no matter how smart people are.