We don't "have Asperger's", we are Brahmins!

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I am going to tell a story, about an Asian kingdom of several thousand years ago. This kingdom was called Bharata, the land of King Bharat. Bharat conquered much of Asia, adding it to his kingdom until it was very large indeed. All that is left of Bharata today is an arbitrary modern geophysical division called "India".

In ancient Bharata, the society observed children to discover their various gifts, so people could be directed to play toward their greatest strengths. The vast majority of children were observed to have good general and social skills, but no "special" gifts. These children were directed into the general labor force, where they could play to their skills and be happy, productive citizens.

Another group seemed to have innate business sense, they were hustlers and traders; they became society's merchants.

The third group were observed to be much more aggressive than any of the rest of the children, and tended to be dominant personality types. These children were seen as the natural warriors and leaders, and they were trained to be warriors and kings.

The last group had some peculiarities; these kids were observed to be shy, dreamy kids, who had special gifts, and they composed only a small minority of the population. Unlike the rest of the children, whose ability to reason was dormant at birth, requiring education to develop reasoning skills, these shy kids for some reason didn't need to be trained to reason, they were born with the faculty already fairly well developed. These kids seemed to be able to think outside the box in a way that the other children did not, even after the other children had been taught to reason.

The special kids had the unique ability to reason with both their intellect and intuition working together, and this was a skill that they alone posessed, it was not something that could be taught to others. This, of course, gave these kids a real mental edge.

The normal kids sometimes forgot to use their reasoning skills, leading to a social expresssion "did you forget your thinking cap?". The shy, dreamy kids never seemed to have to think about thinking, they just seemed to be wired for it 24 x 7. They had the ability to meditate for hours at a time, focusing on a single object. They also were observed to be predominately honest and trustworthy, something that couldn't be generalised for the rest of the population.

These children were called "Brahmins", and were recognized as the natural spiritual leaders, the educators, and the advisors and ministers to the king. Their special abilities and inherent trustworthiness made them indespensable to the king; he was a leader and warrior, but he needed the Brahmins to properly advise him in affairs of state. As they were rare people, they were accorded special respect and all society would show due hospitality to brahmins.

Now, it is said, that since in those times Truth was still predominate, being upheld by at least 50% of the population, that Brahmins had the power to curse; that is, since they only spoke truth, and truth is simply what is, whatever they said simply happened. This made it literally worth your life to fail to show due hospitality to a brahmin, and there are stories of Brahmins who got angry at discourtesy and cursed people for their failure to respect them. Only when the world became more than half false were they said to have lost this particular gift.

How would you like to be able to curse some NT's fingers together if he "flipped you the bird"?

The way people arranged society in those times was very logical, but over time knowledge was lost, the brahmins lost their power to curse, and over time lost the respect and understanding of society. Today, the system to examine people and direct them according to their strengths has deteriorated into a ridigly stratified social system called "Caste".

Now the primary duty of a Brahmin is to fight for and uphold truth, to defend that which is against that which is not; the great thing about this kind of fight, there's no bloodshed.

Nice story. And the Brahmins practiced yoga and meditation to calm their minds are prevent it from being overwhelmed by sensory stimuli (which they called rajaistic energy). And the Brahmin doctors noticed that other Brahmins tended towards what they called 'vata disturbances' .... their air and ether humours tended to get too high (as they spent so much time in deep thought and were literally spaced-out). So the doctors of Ayush prescribed medicines like Brahmi and gotu kola and ashwagandha, which grounded the Brahmins and lowerd their vata to healthier levels.

For several generations, it was all good. But people started to wander from the original Vedic idea of Vama, where people were classified according to their attributes. The system degenerated into a genetic hierarchy where children inherited the jobs and status of their parents. After centuries of genetic isolation between scholars, warriors, laborers and artisans, it was clear that differences were being amplified. But none of the groups bred completely true - If a laborer family or warrior family had child that was uncoordinated and weak but could recite Pi to 10,000 places, that child couldn't transfer to the Brahmins. People in all castes walked around saying silly things like "once a farmer, always a farmer" and "born a warrior, always a warrior."

Thanks Monty! That's what I call a really great feedback! Sharing all these things helps put the overall picture into sharper focus!

As my fellow Brahmins used to say, "If I give you $5, and you give me $5, then we each just have $5. But if I give you an idea, and you give me an idea, then we each have TWO ideas! That is why there is such great brotherhood amongst brahmins.

What about aspies who are not capable of thinking for themselves? What about critical, conscious, free thinking NTs? Asperger is a gift that **if utilized** can help people awaken and become more conscious, problem is many do not use the gift.

Everyone needs to determine what they are good at, and pursue that. Not every talent is innate or natural - they usually need to be developed. Aspie or not.

If one is an aspie and doesn't know who he is (me for 63 years) my self-reasoning ability was handicapped by a constant state of mild depression (in 'Potter', it was said that wizards could temporarily lose their abilities due to depression). My self-realization has been followed by a rapid evolution in my mental abilities. Lack of knowledge of oneself and one's gifts is debilitating and can suppress the manifestation of those gifts.

NT's who are conscious and free thinking have had the advantage that they have been taught to develop and hone essential reasoning skills; this is the exception in modern American education, not the rule. Check out this article for another perspective on this.



Exactly, even innate talents need development; NT's need to learn and develop logic skills, and need instruction in polishing their innate social skills; aspie's need to learn basic social skills to function satisfactorily in a social world, and need to polish their innate "head start" reasoning skills. Laziness on the part of either will be counter-productive.

Dude, I've met some pretty stupid, hard-headed aspies before, many of whom drone on and on about how AS makes them free thinkers and what not but then endorse the same core values everyone else does, still conform to someone else's flawed logic. And there are some aspies, myself being one, who are free thinkers, often truth seekers. And, I've met the same two types of NTS. I've seen NTs who are dumber than a sack of bricks, and I've met NTs who are very intelligent, logical, fact-oriented, free thinking people.

One thing all free thinkers usually have in common is they awoke at the pit of dispaire within their personal lives, AS can do this, but so can a hell of a lot of other things that can cause problems in peoples' lives. To get more psychological about this, really, it's often the little things that shape a person's personality over years of slow development and that person in often not consciously aware of their environmental growth influences. Traumatic or depressive events can add a major spin on the individual growth though, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse, depending on various circumstances.

I've been very careful in not breaking the laws of science, bending them, yes, breaking them no, although I've certainly broken the laws of human nature, but well, there is nothing that can be done about that and still be self. I've cursed, and it has worked, but its not anything that couldn't be dismissed by scientists as coincidence, so no gluing people's fingers together all of a sudden or stuff like that, just things that seem like they might happen anyway.

I would be careful in thinking that any kind of spiritual concepts correspond one to one with psychological concepts, they don't even correspond with each other let alone other systems of thought. People may be perceived as having the same symptoms and thus “diagnosed” but for entirely different reasons.

In some sense I dislike being reincarnated in the west, the dualism of good and evil, the obsession with worldliness and materialism, the general lack of respect for different states of being (the mental health system). In another sense though, I think of it entirely as a challenge, and I relish it. Because there is always this dynamism, this idea of moving forward, and not being stuck on one state. Sometimes I think of how I would like to study the spiritual at the expense of the worldly, but then I think, no, thats not what I came here to do. I don't think this is, the Wrong Planet, but rather the Right Planet, and despite the silly name on this website, I never thought I made an error in coming. More like I started to believe the lies, something I should not have done, because it does not really help in the long run.

Of Bloody COURSE!

What the bloody hell do you expect in a society that doesn't educate aspies to properly develop their abilities, by sending them to the schools designed for the educational needs of NT's?

The American public school system was SHEER, BLOODY, 'EFFN HELL for me; being taught as if I were someone 6 years younger mentally than I was? We AUTOMATICALLY have a 6 year mental head start over the NT's, and it depresses the hell out of us to try to GET an education out of their broken system!

Depression destroys ones human spirit, and saps ones creativity and will to live; do you think you could go through that for 5 decades, starting with the 8th grade in a pulic school system not designed for your needs, without some serious stupidity?

I had to.

I was one of those hard-headed, drone on-and-on types; how could your expect otherwise for someone growing up totally confused and frustrated, trying to be an NT? Trying to be someone you aren't is certainly one of many excellent ways to become a stupid aspie. Not being educated properly to recognize and develop your already head-start abilities.

We are society's "Forgotten People"; we were once the most respected members of society, people treasured us so much that they rolled out the red carpet to US before even the KING! Kings would freely make gifts to us of cattle and gold, just for speaking a few words of wisdom to them when they asked, and even offer themselves to us to be our servants, when our wisdom was especially inspiring!

As time became more and more false, the world became dominated not by us, but by high-function NT's, and Truth took a nose-dive through time, until instead of getting respect, we were BURNED AT THE STAKE!

We were seen as "Witches andWizards" by the religion that did this to us; ironically, this happened because we should have been the leaders of religion, which instead had become run by warrior, worker and merchant types, HF-NT's ALL!

The HF-NT's who show that much intelligence are at the top of their neuro-group to begin with; and because they are, those that have the good fortune to get the best NT education apply themselves aggressively and developed excellent reasoning abilities.

However, you take one aspie and one HF-NT with otherwise equal attitudes and abilities, and give them both a first-class "aspie" oriented education, the NT will do very well indeed, but the aspie will always have the edge.

In fact, it is conceivable that in such an educational system, it's likely the aspies would far outclass their NT counterparts; the NT's would find them selves well challenged.

If I had understood who I am 50 years ago, I would have known my strengths, and I'd have been a bloody lot more successful in the tech world, and I would have moved into it from the start. I'd have been the advantaged one, and if I'd been properly educated from the start, I'd be PhD today.

The only thing the pieces of paper that the NT diploma mills hand out mean:

BS, MS & PhD

"BS" means ... Well, you already know what "BS" means; "MS" means 'more of the same', "PhD" means 'piled higher and deeper'"

p.s. "If a foreign government had imposed this system of education on the United States, we would rightly consider it an act of war." — Nobel Prizewinner Glenn T. Seaborg

johnpipe108, I really enjoyed this. Thanks for this post.

Thank you! I'm very happy that you enjoyed it!

Repeat after me:


Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.
Asperger's syndrome is not a superpower.

I visited those two spiritually-oriented websites which are linked from your profile. As a sociologist of religion, I found them interesting, but could you:

1. explain whether both websites refer to the same movement.
2. summarize the basic belief/beliefs
3. tell me whether they are your websites

Thanks.

I could use a little more feedback here, namely the links in question. I see that I have my personal web page there in my profile, but there are the following, and they are part of my spiritual group, and are done by individuals with their own perceptions of understanding.

The Foundation of Revelaton

Original Siva Kalpa web page

And the yahoo E-groups sivakalpa, and shivakalpa. The "Siva" (anglized Sanskrit style) is the original e-list, and the "Shiva" group was started by other group members over a censorship issue. Human evolution being what it is, I expect that at some time we will evolve enough to drop the second group.

The Siva Kalpa web page is in need of re-build after being down, so only the essential papers are there as yet, until the owner moves into her new place.

We do not have pre-packaged beliefs, we are not a "religion". We are seekers of Truth and Knowledge, and come from many religious backgrounds; some of us are practicing, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and some of us don't care for religion and prefer philosophy. Father once said "One's own religion is better than any other for which one can "devel'up" (how he pronounced develop) a preference".

Ask anyone of us personally about "Father" or "Chiranjiva", and you will get different answers, as we don't just accept things on belief, we make up our own minds.

Have you read Indian Aspie Speaks on the Supermind? That is one of the best overall descriptions of us; Chiranjiva was central to our coming together in the first place.

There is also a web site belonging to another one of us, which has RealAudio files; here is one that you will find particularly apropo to the questions you ask:

Rainbow Radio

Go to the bottom of this page, where it says "Click on Ciranjiva Roy: to listen to 15 Hours to Supermanhood", and listen to the KSAN interview at the top left of lists, it should be right up your alley. There are other files you may find interesting there, but that one is apropos for getting an idea about us.

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Repeat after me:

"Aspergers is not a syndrome, and I'm not an accident of creation

Your Obedient Brahmin,