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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Is there High Functioning and Low functioning Aspergers? Reply with quote

Ok I've heard of high functioning and low functioning Autism but is there such thing as high functioning Aspergers? My reasoning of this is that I know two fellow Aspies in my life, one that I would consider high functioning and one I would consider low functioning. The high functioning has several friends (including myself) was fun to be around and tried to socialize with other people often with success, despite this he still had his quirks, obsessions and a fair share "aspie moments." The other I would consider low functioning, he virtually had no friends, did not understand a lot of humor,often thought literally, and would go on monologues about his obsessions when nobody obviously cared. Or on the other hand Aspergers is Aspergers theres no variation and the only difference between these two people are other factors including the ability to cope with living in an NT world, Personality traits and level of confidence. What do you think?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep you can have aspergers and be on the lower end of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither high-functioning autism, nor high-functioning Asperger's is a diagnosis in the DSM-IV or the ICD-10. HFA means a person with Kanner's who has a verbal IQ within the normal range. It's accompanied by a delay in speech, but people with HFA will eventually catch up and reach an adequate verbal level.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HFA and AS are clinically indistinguishable, and there is clearly a continuum between HFA and LFA without very clearly-defined boundaries. There is an autistic spectrum, a person can lie at any given point along it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must be low functioning asperger....
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reodor_Felgen wrote:
Neither high-functioning autism, nor high-functioning Asperger's is a diagnosis in the DSM-IV or the ICD-10. HFA means a person with Kanner's who has a verbal IQ within the normal range. It's accompanied by a delay in speech, but people with HFA will eventually catch up and reach an adequate verbal level.


Yea but i think what the op is asking if you can have aspergers and not be high functioning, which is true, ive met a person with aspergers whos lower functioning, although its not on paper as his diagnosis is aspergers, everybody around him would classify him as low functioning. Thats not entirely true about HFA have verbal iq within the normal range, theres days im cleary high functioning but verbal level is probably at a 3year old, of course theres times i can talk your head off, but basically all around i probably have a vocab of maybe 100. That doesnt mean since my verbal iq is low i can't be classified as high functioning at times, i do drive, i have a boyfriend, can seem NTish at times. Verbal iq does put me more at overall moderate status, but doesn't define what level functioning you should be at.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that AS is on a minature spectrum like Autism.
I think I'm high-functioning. I understand sarcasm and jokes, and I have 2-3 close friends at school. But I still have a lot of traits like getting offended easily, having meltdowns, getting confused about certian things, stressing out over schoolwork, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also mild to moderately to moderately and severly autistic too. Alot of people with Aspergers dont even score in the mild to moderate range for just an autism test. Most proberly do though but it is more typical of High Functioning Autistic to fall into that catergory. Though I knew a boy with Aspergers that was moderate to severe autistic I would say. I was a street kid, I lived on my own at 16. I had a baby at 19 and looked after him on my own for 11 years and I was just diagnosed with autism. I have more of the classic autism symtoms but mild because I have a I have a bit above average IQ were as most dont.
My son however diagnosed HFA and possible more an Aspie, a cross between the psychologist said his IQ is in the gifted range and he often puts me down for being slow.
The psychologist who asssessed him said i have a very bright boy.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taylor wrote:
There is also mild to moderately to moderately and severly autistic too. Alot of people with Aspergers dont even score in the mild to moderate range for just an autism test. Most proberly do though but it is more typical of High Functioning Autistic to fall into that catergory. Though I knew a boy with Aspergers that was moderate to severe autistic I would say. I was a street kid, I lived on my own at 16. I had a baby at 19 and looked after him on my own for 11 years and I was just diagnosed with autism. I have more of the classic autism symtoms but mild because I have a I have a bit above average IQ were as most dont.
My son however diagnosed HFA and possible more an Aspie, a cross between the psychologist said his IQ is in the gifted range and he often puts me down for being slow.
The psychologist who asssessed him said i have a very bright boy.


That's interesting. My psychotherapist said I was borderline case between the two.

Sometimes I wonder what she's not telling me though. She diagnosed me ASD (HFA) because apparently I had speech and 'other developmental delays and subtle characteristics acossiated with autism'. She's in close contact with ADOS- because of where she works, so she's got enough experience and knowledge not to just be spouting random things from a text book. She withheld my GAD diagnosis for at least 6 months, she's the type that seems to think it's best to gradually disclose information. I guess I'll have to wait.

But, yeah, interesting...


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HFA and AS are clinically indistinguishable, and there is clearly a continuum between HFA and LFA without very clearly-defined boundaries. There is an autistic spectrum, a person can lie at any given point along it.


I like that way of putting it, some people I try explaining the concept of spectrum to seem to get confused when I also mention distinct labels too. So I'll use that, thanks. I'm terrible at explaining things in less then a few sentences. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'd be better the say that the symptoms of Asperger's/HFA/LFA can range from mild to severe. Someone with Asperger's can have more severe deficits in empathy than someone with LFA. It's all over the place for each individual; it's just that we all share the same areas of impairment, but each can vary in severity from mild to severe.

Of note, most people with an ASD full within the middle in terms of severity.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it would be too simplistic also to apply a functioning label over a single person's functioning label. For instance, sometimes I can talk well and so socializing is easy for me, but other times speech is just not available to me. I would be assigned different functioning labels based upon different hours that I am seen, or different days or weeks or months.

Not to mention the drastic differences between various academic and social and other skills (such as scoring in the bottom 1% on some tests and the top 1% on some other tests...many other people are less extreme than this, but even with people for whom it's much less extreme, it's usually not negligible).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'High functioning' and 'low functioning' are terms used by NTs which can be applied to anyone. They are assessments of how well a person is assimilated into NT society Wink .
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What most people don't realize, is that we are on the same spectrum as NT's, just in different positions. Any position is possible, whatever you choose to call it. Smile

Yeah, I could have elaborated, but I don't feel like typing right now. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kelsi wrote:
'High functioning' and 'low functioning' are terms used by NTs which can be applied to anyone. They are assessments of how well a person is assimilated into NT society Wink .


Which really makes no sense if you think about it. Would a person be high functioning if they acted normal in the "NT world" for an 8 hour workday and then locked themselves in their house and recovered from overstimulation for the next 16 hours? Most NTs would probably judge you normal (maybe anti-social) since you could hold down a job.

EDIT: What I'm really trying to say is that "normal" NT life involves a variety of activities and we can be at different "levels of functioning" for each one. A single "low - medium - high" measurement to cover ones set of skills is really oversimplifying things.
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