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16 May 2009, 9:30 am

This site popped up in my Google alert this morning. The owner is promoting Asperger's as a disease which he can help you overcome quickly.

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Get the free nine part email series revealing the truth about Asperger's disease, Aspergers symptoms and Aspergers treatment - which is that life can become very normal very quickly. Starts as soon as you submit your details below (which we'll never pass on)."

I sent him a letter of protest. Some of you might want to do the same. Or even sign up for the information series to see what kind of quackery he's promoting. I did find a link that goes to an ad for a book by Rachel Evans. I don't know anything about her or whether she's even associated with the site, but her emphasis is on "treatng" Asperger's the "natural" way. As far as I can tell, her qualifications are "I’ve dedicated the past 18 months of my life to researching this difficult condition."

Maybe I'm just a Johny come lately, and everybody already knows about her and this blog, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post the information.



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16 May 2009, 9:44 am

Actually, outside of thinking that all with AS are agressive, and calling it a disease, what I read on that site seems balanced and truthful!



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16 May 2009, 9:49 am

That's a pretty big "aside from." That kind of misinformation sticks in people's minds, and when it's mixed with "balanced and truthful" information, there's less reason to question it. How is the average reader supposed to distinguish between them?



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16 May 2009, 9:52 am

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That's a pretty big "aside from." That kind of misinformation sticks in people's minds, and when it's mixed with "balanced and truthful" information, there's less reason to question it. How is the average reader supposed to distinguish between them?


You're right there! Almost EVERYONE seems to color it in their own way. I would probably have said PASSIVE! There ARE a number of people that sound AS that HAVE indicated that they were/are agressive though. I'm NOT.



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16 May 2009, 9:54 am

The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance. Unethical business is in the american blood. USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer.



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16 May 2009, 10:01 am

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The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance. Unethical business is in the american blood. USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer.

i have no great love for the USA, but in their blood? Full-blooded americans are almost extinct thanks to the various european invaders.. the people now inhabiting america, well they likely have an incredibly mixed ancestry.



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16 May 2009, 10:12 am

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i have no great love for the USA, but in their blood? Full-blooded americans are almost extinct thanks to the various european invaders.. the people now inhabiting america, well they likely have an incredibly mixed ancestry.


I didn't mean it literally, more like it's a cultural tradition they are indoctrinated with.

When most of Europe had their constitutions rewritten after nazi-occupation, USA is still based on the settler societies of three hundred years ago where laws were made to give every man and community the right to govern themselves because the real government was busy fighting the english. This created a culture where fast business and opportunity was possible but also opened the door to endless quackers selling miracle medicine. This tradition goes on today, still. USA is the most primitive democracy in the world and their courts and jurisdictional system is just a cloaked up cosmetical modernization of when packs of settlers hunted down cattle thieves and hanged them in the nearest tree. How a nation like that can even function is beyond me.

Someone selling private solutions to "cure Asperger's" could and would never happen in a European country. Just the idea is apalling and vulgar.



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16 May 2009, 10:21 am

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Zoonic wrote:
The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance. Unethical business is in the american blood. USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer.

i have no great love for the USA, but in their blood? Full-blooded americans are almost extinct thanks to the various european invaders.. the people now inhabiting america, well they likely have an incredibly mixed ancestry.


FUDO is RIGHT! Most "americans" today are ANYTHING BUT! MOST are immigrants here only false pretenses or just ILLEGALLY. Many others are immediately from the first group i spoke of. When MY families came here, they BLENDED IN! One either came here knowing English, or quickly learned it. The other was from Ireland so they, of course, knew english. Though they moved into areas consistant with their origins(My fathers into a predominantly German part of wisconsin, and my mothers into Boston which STILL has a lot of irish), they spoke ENGLISH outside, and melded with everything else. The US was NOT built in diversity(like some jerks today claim), but UNITY in diversity! In other words, they worked TOGETHER, even though their ethnicity was different!

Americans are SUPPOSED to be hard working ethical people, but that seems to have all but disappeared over the sense of "entitlement".

SO, in short, to Zoonic:

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The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance.


Actually, that is not true in ANY part. In fact, many doing that garbage are NOT from the US, and it is NOT unique to the US!

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Unethical business is in the american blood.


If anything, FAR FROM IT!

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USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer


OH, if only that were true! Every health club I have been in has the PERSON doing the workout! The CLOSEST I have seen to what you speak of is a machine that emulates a rope that you climb up. It can reduce your weight by up to about 200 pounds. So I weigh about 240, and can have it make me seem like I weigh 40 pounds as I climb up the rope. The idea on THAT machine is to keep reducing the amount of help. Most other machines merely allow you to direct the weight in a consistant fashion. Maybe Zoonic never actually used any such machine, and has been misled. They ensure that you can be sure that the SAME weight hits the SAME muscles in the SAME way, and prevent the need to do things like skull crushers that could ACTUALLY cush your skull. But they don't do ANY of the work.

As for skin lotions that can CURE cancers? MAYBE you mean the lotions that can protect against the suns rays and LIMIT the likelyhood of getting SKIN CANCER. What is wrong with that? Would YOU like to be paralyzed by polio?



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16 May 2009, 10:22 am

ah ok i just saw blood lol & responded.. it certainly seems a messed up system..
i just mean an american, or anyone, can be great, wise etc. but like you there say there are various cultural traditions in place..
If everyone ignores society they'll be fine, we have to somehow rise above our respective societies. UK is no haven of democracy & free speech either unfortunately.



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16 May 2009, 10:25 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
Fudo wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance. Unethical business is in the american blood. USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer.

i have no great love for the USA, but in their blood? Full-blooded americans are almost extinct thanks to the various european invaders.. the people now inhabiting america, well they likely have an incredibly mixed ancestry.


FUDO is RIGHT! Most "americans" today are ANYTHING BUT! MOST are immigrants here only false pretenses or just ILLEGALLY. Many others are immediately from the first group i spoke of. When MY families came here, they BLENDED IN! One either came here knowing English, or quickly learned it. The other was from Ireland so they, of course, knew english. Though they moved into areas consistant with their origins(My fathers into a predominantly German part of wisconsin, and my mothers into Boston which STILL has a lot of irish), they spoke ENGLISH outside, and melded with everything else. The US was NOT built in diversity(like some jerks today claim), but UNITY in diversity! In other words, they worked TOGETHER, even though their ethnicity was different!

Americans are SUPPOSED to be hard working ethical people, but that seems to have all but disappeared over the sense of "entitlement".

SO, in short, to Zoonic:

Quote:
The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance.


Actually, that is not true in ANY part. In fact, many doing that garbage are NOT from the US, and it is NOT unique to the US!

Quote:
Unethical business is in the american blood.


If anything, FAR FROM IT!

Quote:
USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer


OH, if only that were true! Every health club I have been in has the PERSON doing the workout! The CLOSEST I have seen to what you speak of is a machine that emulates a rope that you climb up. It can reduce your weight by up to about 200 pounds. So I weigh about 240, and can have it make me seem like I weigh 40 pounds as I climb up the rope. The idea on THAT machine is to keep reducing the amount of help. Most other machines merely allow you to direct the weight in a consistant fashion. Maybe Zoonic never actually used any such machine, and has been misled. They ensure that you can be sure that the SAME weight hits the SAME muscles in the SAME way, and prevent the need to do things like skull crushers that could ACTUALLY cush your skull. But they don't do ANY of the work.

As for skin lotions that can CURE cancers? MAYBE you mean the lotions that can protect against the suns rays and LIMIT the likelyhood of getting SKIN CANCER. What is wrong with that? Would YOU like to be paralyzed by polio?

hey man don't drag me into your argument, i still fundamentally agree with Zoonic, was just focusing on details..
i wanted Mother Russia to win the cold war.



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16 May 2009, 10:33 am

Zoonic wrote:
Fudo wrote:
i have no great love for the USA, but in their blood? Full-blooded americans are almost extinct thanks to the various european invaders.. the people now inhabiting america, well they likely have an incredibly mixed ancestry.


I didn't mean it literally, more like it's a cultural tradition they are indoctrinated with.


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When most of Europe had their constitutions rewritten after nazi-occupation, USA is still based on the settler societies of three hundred years ago where laws were made to give every man and community the right to govern themselves because the real government was busy fighting the english.


Actually, they DID change the constitution, EVEN TO THIS DAY, by interpretation!(The last such change I heard of was just a few days ago) That is ILLEGAL, and unconstitutional, but they do it. The constitution as originally written was FINE! Maybe you should READ it sometime!

BTW the states powers are LIMITED! The SEC, FDA, USDA, for example, are FEDERAL organizations! The override anything the states legislate.

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This created a culture where fast business and opportunity was possible but also opened the door to endless quackers selling miracle medicine. This tradition goes on today, still. USA is the most primitive democracy in the world and their courts and jurisdictional system is just a cloaked up cosmetical modernization of when packs of settlers hunted down cattle thieves and hanged them in the nearest tree. How a nation like that can even function is beyond me.


*************BULL*************! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

After 1929, they created the SEC to stop brokers, like madoff. Madoff was a special case, as there were idiots that wanted to be SPECIFICALLY excluded. Madoff went after THEM! The FDA was passed to get rid of snakeoil, etc... The USDA was to regulate the food supply. It is the attempt to have courts be fair, and paid advocates that creates most of the problems. BTW Great Britain has a very similar system!

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Someone selling private solutions to "cure Asperger's" could and would never happen in a European country. Just the idea is apalling and vulgar.


YEAH RIGHT! WHERE do you think all this stuff started!?!?!?!? Here's a hint! It was NOT in America! It was not anywhere on the entire continent, and was NOT in the US!



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16 May 2009, 10:40 am

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2ukenkerl wrote:
Fudo wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance. Unethical business is in the american blood. USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer.

i have no great love for the USA, but in their blood? Full-blooded americans are almost extinct thanks to the various european invaders.. the people now inhabiting america, well they likely have an incredibly mixed ancestry.


FUDO is RIGHT! Most "americans" today are ANYTHING BUT! MOST are immigrants here only false pretenses or just ILLEGALLY. Many others are immediately from the first group i spoke of. When MY families came here, they BLENDED IN! One either came here knowing English, or quickly learned it. The other was from Ireland so they, of course, knew english. Though they moved into areas consistant with their origins(My fathers into a predominantly German part of wisconsin, and my mothers into Boston which STILL has a lot of irish), they spoke ENGLISH outside, and melded with everything else. The US was NOT built in diversity(like some jerks today claim), but UNITY in diversity! In other words, they worked TOGETHER, even though their ethnicity was different!

Americans are SUPPOSED to be hard working ethical people, but that seems to have all but disappeared over the sense of "entitlement".

SO, in short, to Zoonic:

Quote:
The typical american way of doing things. Someone sees an opportunity to make money based on people's ignorance.


Actually, that is not true in ANY part. In fact, many doing that garbage are NOT from the US, and it is NOT unique to the US!

Quote:
Unethical business is in the american blood.


If anything, FAR FROM IT!

Quote:
USA the country of vulgar self-help solutions, workout machines that do the workout for you and skin lotions that can cure cancer


OH, if only that were true! Every health club I have been in has the PERSON doing the workout! The CLOSEST I have seen to what you speak of is a machine that emulates a rope that you climb up. It can reduce your weight by up to about 200 pounds. So I weigh about 240, and can have it make me seem like I weigh 40 pounds as I climb up the rope. The idea on THAT machine is to keep reducing the amount of help. Most other machines merely allow you to direct the weight in a consistant fashion. Maybe Zoonic never actually used any such machine, and has been misled. They ensure that you can be sure that the SAME weight hits the SAME muscles in the SAME way, and prevent the need to do things like skull crushers that could ACTUALLY cush your skull. But they don't do ANY of the work.

As for skin lotions that can CURE cancers? MAYBE you mean the lotions that can protect against the suns rays and LIMIT the likelyhood of getting SKIN CANCER. What is wrong with that? Would YOU like to be paralyzed by polio?

hey man don't drag me into your argument, i still fundamentally agree with Zoonic, was just focusing on details..
i wanted Mother Russia to win the cold war.


I hope you're kidding. Most Russians didn't like the old system, and every case that I heard of where they DID, it was because THEY liked the ENTITLEMENT! In other words, THEY had the sense that zoonic claimed Americans did. Russia allowed a lot of people to get things without working, and found work for others. The problem with freedom is that you often have to work to do things like get a job. ALSO, once you get a job, you may get more or less pay. From what I understand, things were generally different in Russia.



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16 May 2009, 10:51 am

you know most Russians & most Americans? lol fair enough you spout the patriotic BS but don't assume you know a damn thing about Russia from what's shown on CNN..
as i understand it, the US bluffed Russia into building more nukes.. US had about 22,000 so i have read & the soviet government couldn't see the "Poker" strategy of the US (No bluffing in Russian roulette) & so they kept building nukes until bankruptcy.. the US essentially pulled a "micro$oft" on their main rivals.
the US government then sells nukes all over & has the arrogant audacity to invade countries that THEY sold WMD's too..



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16 May 2009, 11:03 am

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WHERE do you think all this stuff started!?!?!?!?



Mmm-hmmm.. those damn Eskimos up in Greenland. Quick, wipe em out :D



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16 May 2009, 5:49 pm

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you know most Russians & most Americans? lol fair enough you spout the patriotic BS but don't assume you know a damn thing about Russia from what's shown on CNN..
as i understand it, the US bluffed Russia into building more nukes.. US had about 22,000 so i have read & the soviet government couldn't see the "Poker" strategy of the US (No bluffing in Russian roulette) & so they kept building nukes until bankruptcy.. the US essentially pulled a "micro$oft" on their main rivals.
the US government then sells nukes all over & has the arrogant audacity to invade countries that THEY sold WMD's too..


OK, I misspoke. I have HEARD that most russians feel that way, and various evidence seems to bear it out. As for Americans, much the same. As the opinions change, you notice the people do as well.

The US sells nukes? BESIDES, if that were true, why didn't they sell any to Israel? It is NO secret that they sold a LOT of technology to Israel, but the official word(at least publically), is that nobody KNOWS if Israel has nukes. Everyone SUSPECTS it. Nobody really wants to push the issue, but they say they don't KNOW. Since the US is open about so many other things, why wouldn't they be open about THAT?

As for the US INTENTIONALLY tricking Russia, that would be IDIOTIC! WHAT would be the purpose? The US hasn't even, to the best of my knowledge, stated what the maximum specs on the SR-71 are! Wikipedia says:

Maximum speed: Mach 3.2+ (2,200+ mph, 3,530+ km/h,1900 knots+) at 80,000 ft (24,000 m)

And THAT was built in 1964! That is almost as old as I am! They even claimed it was RETIRED, but it WASN'T!

SO, do you think the US should have EVERY plan cranking out EVERYTHING at a FEVERED pace to ENSURE superiority? Should they have submarines EVERYWHERE, and break international law, to cause others to submit? NOPE! They did what was done in the battle of marathon! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marathon That is what ANY halfway intelligent person or entity will try. It is the famous FONZ(see happy days) strategy! Show GREAT power, and GREAT victory, and milk it for all it has.

The US has been a major player in TWO world wars. It has allies all around the globe. You would have to be an IDIOT to attack it. And even allies that HATE the US would fight an unjust enemy because not only is it the right thing to do, but it will insure that we will be there to protect THEM!

So SORRY if you don't agree with a strategy that has records that supposedly go backk over 7000 YEARS ago(such cases are EVEN in the old testament, and even in the TORAH). It is the ONLY sane way to fight. It ALSO saves LIVES! SUPPOSE that the US DIDN'T do that! Russia and China might have tried to attack.

If they did, life, as we know it, would have beenn ERADICATED on this planet within perhaps 30 minutes! OK, OK, maybe only perhaps a billion would have died in that 30 minutes. There is a FAIR chance that a billion more could have died in the next few hours. Most of the rest would have died within a few months. And, DON'T FORGET, THOSE were DIRTIER bombs! There was MORE fallout and the initial explosions were greater. OK, perhaps a billion around the globe might have survived to some degree. They would likely have had problems with infrastructure.

So a lack of info might have saved the planet.

BTW did you know that, during WWII, FRANCE had a partial news blackout!? WHY?!?!? The NAZIs had some great weapons that allowed them to EASILY hurt france, but they weren't easy to aim. France reported where they hit and the NAZIs, gettting the info, could refine their targeting. When france found out, they stopped reporting. You see, FRANCE isn't stupid EITHER! And I doubt that the UK reports everything precisely. OH YEAH, RUSSIA doesn't EITHER! They almost started WWIII!! !! !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missle_Crisis

So don't claim that others are so saintly, etc... HECK, the US was created because BRITAIN got too big for its britches! GRANTED, the US has become what they ran away from, but only some Americans seem to realize that.



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16 May 2009, 6:05 pm

lol ok keep reading wikipedia, maybe just skim "cold war" & "mutually assured destruction"
if you're unwilling to accept that the US sells nuclear weapons i doubt i could ever convince you of anything else..
believe what you want, just stay the hell away from me.. please :)