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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: What about normal society's crimes against autistic people? Reply with quote

It is very easy for ambitious law enforcement and prosecutors to seek opportunities to convict autistic people of sexual crimes against children. Autistic people cannot fight back as effectively as normal people in the legal system. Society is conspicuously outraged and sometimes lynches convicted paedophiles. But those who have been institutionalized while growing up learn sooner or later that autistic children are especially attractive to sexual predators. The Boston Globe June 10, 2001 reports that about 5 % of crimes against disabled result in convictions compared to 70% for normal people; possibly this is what makes them so attractive. Papers by David S. Mandell, Christine M. Walrath, Brigitte Manteuffel, Gina Sgro and Jennifer A. Pinto-Martin and papers by Ammerman tell us that sexual things being done to institutionalized autistic children is quite common. By this behaviour, the system has chosen to be a self registered in sex offender status having demonstrated how it behaves when it can get away with it. This should be thrown back into the face of anybody who wants to sell a claim that autistic people are sexual offenders.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyborg wrote:
Most serial killers are low-intelligent, but there is a group of high-intelligent serial killers which we should look closer at.

I think that resentment from the NT society could lead to alienation of Aspergians and make some of them become violent against NT;s.

Such outbursts of terrorism are not good because they may turn the NT;s against Aspergians.

It is advisable that Aspergians are organising collectively as a group, to prevent violence.




If we're defining intelligence by IQ score, then I don't know where you're getting this information from or if it's accurate.

I've always heard that the average IQ of serial killers is roughly the same of that of the general population or maybe a bit higher.


Quite a few have IQ's in the superior range or even higher.


This would include Ted Bundy, Lawrence Bittaker, Joel Rifkin, Edmund Kemper, Karla Holmolka, (and likely her partner-in-crime husband Paul Bernardo too) Jeffery Dahmer,
the Zodiac killer, Michael Ross, etc......


There many others who probably would/did score high on IQ tests, but I haven't read anything about their IQ's.

John Wayne Gacy, Dennis Raeder, Leonard Lake/Charles Ng and Andrei Chikatilo are the first that come to mind.

There are also many who were poorly educated and for that reason, would likely perform poorly on IQ tests (at least verbal IQ tests.)


Many of these individuals were probably quite bright even if they would/did perform poorly on IQ tests.


Richard Ramirez is possibly in this category.


In any event....I don't think too many people of below average intelligence could manage to get away with many serial murders at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:07 pm    Post subject: You are right about how we must live by rule of law Reply with quote

The strongest thing we can do is to unite and to prove to society that we can do better at living by rule of law than the rest of society. Those who would practice bigotry against us are weakened when they are all alone in doing that drive by shooting because they do not like the archatectural style of one of our houses that looks different or when we get up and walk out of that restaurant or theater in protest that does more to embarrass the smoker who lit up than taking out a gun and shooting people. If people get mad because we drive our cars the speed limit that's tough.

I stopped neighbors from trying to run me out of the neighborhood for being "weird" by painting my whole house with glow in the dark paint, which brought televivion cameras from a show called "Real People". They learned that the harder they pushed, the worse it would get and they would be in the news for whatever they did. I broke no laws in rebelling against their culturl tyranny.

I am certain that others have outdone my antics in these sort of things and I would be honored to read of their exploits.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:24 am    Post subject: most of those people also had something else Reply with quote

most of those people also had schizophrenia
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: most of those people also had something else Reply with quote

yeojjoey wrote:
most of those people also had schizophrenia




If you are referring to the serial killers I included in my previous post....you're wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Asperger's and coexisting mental disorders Reply with quote

People who have Asperger's are maore vulnerable to coexisting mental disorders particularly Schizophrenia and Social Anxiety Disorder. However, in many respects Asperger's mimics other types of mental disorders and personality disorders such as Bi-polar and Avoidant Personality Disorder. Often times psychiatrists in general who aren't acquainted with Asperger's give the wrong diagnosis and I speak from personal experience as I was diagnosed schizo-affective for 25 years. I can tell you that many times I have felt resentment towards others because of mistreatment but have never felt like acting out in any violent way. There is no conclusive evidence to support that any of these individuals(eg. Ted Kaczynski, Jeff Dahmer, etc.)had Asperger's and I believe is based on pure conjecture by the author of the article "The dark side of Asperger's". Perhaps the author would benefit from some more in depth research such as that which is found on Wikipedia.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The dark side of NTs: serial killers, sociopathy Reply with quote

Wikipedia is a load of horse sh*t edited by teenagers,most serial killers are NT and many are highly NT like Ted Bundy- highly skilled in body language,eye contact and silly NT chit chat.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But Wikipedia does provide information to others about topics that they would otherwise know nothig about one of those being Asperger's Syndrome. I prefer using a number of sources including Wikipeda support the information I read. One can speculate as to wether or not Ted Bundy is an NT or not it really makes no difference since he is long gone, thankfully.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres nothing to speculate about-Bundy was NT-case closed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:40 am    Post subject: Who cares? Reply with quote

Since there was no diagnosis for Ted Bundy as being an AS you are probably correct. I believe psychologists who interviewed him came to the conclusion that he had a sociopathic personality which seems to be consistent with his mannerisms. Hence his ability to gain the trust of some of his unsuspecting victims through the use of charm which most sociopaths seem to possess. Most people who are AS don't have this ability, in fact quite the opposite. Most people with AS like to avoid contact with others because of the negative interactions they have had with NTs in the past. Because people with AS exhibit odd and eccentric behavior they are more commonly victims of NTs ridicule because the NT can't identify with these behavior characteristics.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Self hating Uncle Tom Aspies Reply with quote

Thanks-during 45 years of Aspie existence I have noticed this....



Toddles wrote:
Since there was no diagnosis for Ted Bundy as being an AS you are probably correct. I believe psychologists who interviewed him came to the conclusion that he had a sociopathic personality which seems to be consistent with his mannerisms. Hence his ability to gain the trust of some of his unsuspecting victims through the use of charm which most sociopaths seem to possess. Most people who are AS don't have this ability, in fact quite the opposite. Most people with AS like to avoid contact with others because of the negative interactions they have had with NTs in the past. Because people with AS exhibit odd and eccentric behavior they are more commonly victims of NTs ridicule because the NT can't identify with these behavior characteristics.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure. Always willing to do my part to enlighten others about the limited information that I have gathered since being diagnosed in 2008. Age 39 at the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My theory is that sociopaths have infiltrated the autistic community and changed the definition to suit their needs. Autistic people are not manipulative by definition.

I remember an aspie group I won't name where I was told if I have feelings I am not on the spectrum; I get the idea doctors are giving kids who kill their cats and exhibit no emotion the wrong diagnoses.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a distinct difference between someone who possesses a sociopathic personality and someone who has AS. A sociopath has no regard for the feelings of others and only feels their own pain. By saying "infiltrate", do you mean there are sociopaths who assume the role of having Asperger's? Or are you stating that simply doctors are giving the wrong diagnosis to clients? Usually it is very easy to tell if an individual has a sociopathic personality where as it can be more challenging for doctors to arrive at the conclusion that someone has AS because there are many other psychiatric disorders which mimic the characteristics of AS. People with AS have difficulty in terms of having empathy for others. It is true that people with AS aren't typically manipulative but that doesn't necessarily mean it is beyond their capacity.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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