Israel threatens to wipe out Europe with nuclear bombs

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They have more than one, which is all that's needed to crash the global economy, let alone Europe; but that's midterm. They do have enough to hit the major European capitals, though I'm not sure what they'd be trying to deliver them with. Their only real chance would be a surprise attack with long-range missiles (the existence, capability and status of which I certainly don't know enough about) or shipping containers; I wouldn't bet on their aging submarines or outdated F16s getting very far. The Israeli military would have a hard fight against one mid-rank European power, and would of course be comprehensively trashed if it attempted to take on Europe as a whole.

And there's the whole MAD thing going on. I wouldn't bet on a British nuclear response even in the event of London being redecorated in glass (it rather depends what Gordon's written in his letters of last resort) but I'd certainly bet on a French or Russian nuclear response, and Israel is not a big place.

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You're kidding right?


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The U.S. has over 10,000 nukes of various kinds. Israel has fewer than 500. Israel does not have long range delivery capability either. It has no ICBMs. As a nuclear power, Israel is a threat only to its neighbors. The U.S. can launch missiles with 10 separately targetable warheads. Israel has developed no such weapons. Any of it nukes will be delivered by aircraft. Perhaps someday Israel will have a UAV that can drop a nuke. That is within its technical and economic capabilities.

ruveyn

You may very well be right, but doesn't this pose the question as to why certain countries are allowed to have nuclear weapons and others not? I guess when you are a superpower you can do as you will. History surely backs me up on that statement. (That's an opinion of mine, I'm not quoting a textbook or anything. Mainly because you should never believe what textbooks say)

I suppose the world just has to believe these "BULLY" countries, who do as they please, that they will not nuke anyone to kingdom come.

As far as Europe being a target though I am skeptical. The next target for Israel and the US, will be Syria.

It is very simple. Those countries that have nukes get to keep them. Those countries that do not (yet) have nukes are harrassed and bullied by countries that do have nukes not to get them. It is purely arbitrary and quite expedient. If you are looking for a universal ethical basis for this nonsense, stop right now. You will not find it.

ruveyn

well, since Israel's put satellites in orbit, I postulate that they can drop a nuke anywhere in the world.
How many other countries have 191 enemies and one friend? I mean besides the US...

ok who is trying to get nukes lately, north korea and iran. both places famously known for their geo-political instability. iran with their muslam fundalmentalists dont even need a missle, they have plenty of people ready to strap a nuke to their chest and blow it up anywhere. korea doesnt bother as much. these guys have been blowing smoke for years, there grand missle technology splashed into the bay after what 300 feet?. these guys know that the second they turn the missles on we would have already dropped another bomb in preperation of turning south korea into a damn island

Who do you think caused the instability of Iran in the first place? Yes, the US.

Muslim fundamentalists. The enemies of the "Free" World. Always ready to blow anything up. The US and Israel are different, their intentions are only noble.

If the bully countries want to be sure that no one else is able to arm themselves as they do, what weapon (far greater than any explosive) will they use to make sure that everyone becomes opposed to others growing their arsenal? Propaganda. Let's face it, the world associates violent behaviour with Muslims and Muslim countries only because of Propaganda. Anyone showing resistance to these bully states, are labeled as "terrorists".

Everyone is so afraid of what Iran or Iraq might do. Has either of these or any other Muslim country waged war on anyone? NO. But no one afraid of what The US has (not might, but has done). Did you know that since WWII the US has bombed at least 50 countries? So why is it that the US has support, and the "terrorists" don't? You are being brainwashed, that's why.

I would recommend watching the movie "WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION".

It would seem those crafty Israelis might have a little more reach than you think:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_II

And since Israel is showing unsettling aggressive behavior towards the entire world perhaps it is Israel, not Iran, that should be attacked before they develop delivery capabilities and since they already have the bomb.

One of my coworkers at Wal-Mart had said that "Israel shouldn't have any allies, it should stand on its own feet", and as such if everyone is an enemy to Israel then they should be certain of mutually assured destruction from an attack on Israel. Anyone wishes to threaten them or impose policies, then they can sound like North Korea threatening the United States with their puny nuclear devices compared to the various optimized ones the US has.

It is, of course, in the Israeli's interest to overstate their capability, so the web is a tricky resource for this sort of thing.

This is of use to us, though slightly out of date.

The best I can determine at present is:

They have a small number of warheads. (But you really only need one. It'd be like 2001 on steroids, and with the moral door opened to nuclear retaliation.)
They have satellite launch vehicles, which could certainly deliver one or several nuclear warheads if they've adapted them. Odds are pretty good that their rocketry research is as well-intentioned as Iran's nuclear research. Their missiles are concentrated in one location, which is presumably high on the list of "places to explode as soon as possible" of their enemies. I would imagine that the missile base is a predefined target of other nuclear powers, in the same way that Faslane would be.
They have three not-very-good non-nuclear powered submarines, which could theoretically launch short-range nuclear missiles. I'd imagine one of those is at sea at any given time, and that the dockyard is also a predefined target. I'd give the Israelis very low chance to sneak a submarine out of the Med against determined opposition, especially given that they'd be operating at the limits of their endurance, and hence unable to submerge for long.
They have last-generation jet strike craft, which could carry nuclear bombs. These are relatively short-ranged. (edit: ok, that's a little unfair to the F15, but they're not a match for Typhoons*)

So their long-range strike capability basically hinges on whether they've successfully adapted a warhead to fit on one of the long-range rockets which they certainly do have. Obviously they have no ability to test such a missile to the extent that more openly declared powers can test theirs. I guess even the Israelis don't know if they have a viable ICBM deterrent.

*outraged Americans can relax. The F22 overmatches the Typhoon (and indeed every other plane currently in the air.)

Hell yeah, we are the spoiled children of the world. Do you know how much resources a single "free world" citizen uses? How much waste we produce?
We are like multi-millionaires compared to these people.
Look at the Congo, hundreds die every day.
So I say enjoy your privileged life.

The mass delusion among so many is appalling

Israel has nukes and they would only use them in a manner such as that under the Sampson Option.

Should Israel be overcome by her enemies, before she falls she would launch every one of her nukes to destroy the nations coming against her.

It's a simple "dead man's" switch. The only reason Israel would have to press the button is that her enemies have invaded and are trying to destroy her. If Europe decides to join in with those who want to invade, it would be targeted.

The huge paranoia that the Israeli politicians create in its citizenry could lead to all sorts of horrendous disaster. I don't trust the fate of the world in their psychotic hands.