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14 Dec 2010, 9:56 pm

Wallourdes someone claiming to have A.S told me the aspie perspective was against the medicalization of autism and A.S. He told me I was ignorant and so on. This sort of aspie politics without the adoption of mainstream scientific acceptance just entices me to conclude it is a political groups perspective. Should it be rationalized both aspie social clique politics and insults should be left out of the discourse. My understanding just from a PR stance is the nature of pathology tends to conceptualize concepts as diseases by default. Therefore it is a matter of self-esteem and not mainstream opinion per say that is connotative of insult.

Awareness can be split off from disorder awarenesses and with concern to inclusion awareness and developmental disabilities in general I follow the law by the letter. Dignity prevails and difference is just difference. To say autism is not a disability derives attention to special interest that do not wish to help people with substantial disabilities. So the ego complex while not obviously causing problems to preserve the self-esteem can do damage to other kinds of awareness that seek to improve quality of life.

This is my assessment and by it's nature fractions off into mainstream politics.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:00 pm

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You are making one giant mistake in assuming autism is a disease - this is simply not been proven to be so as of yet.



It is obviously a disease to anyone who hasn't bought into the pro-autism delusion.


Could you show proof of your convictions?



Gladly.





http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21074045

A model for neural development and treatment of Rett syndrome using human induced pluripotent stem cells.


Abstract:
Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental diseases in which different combinations of genetic mutations may contribute to the phenotype. Using Rett syndrome (RTT) as an ASD genetic model, we developed a culture system using induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) from RTT patients' fibroblasts. RTT patients' iPSCs are able to undergo X-inactivation and generate functional neurons. Neurons derived from RTT-iPSCs had fewer synapses, reduced spine density, smaller soma size, altered calcium signaling and electrophysiological defects when compared to controls. Our data uncovered early alterations in developing human RTT neurons. Finally, we used RTT neurons to test the effects of drugs in rescuing synaptic defects. Our data provide evidence of an unexplored developmental window, before disease onset, in RTT syndrome where potential therapies could be successfully employed. Our model recapitulates early stages of a human neurodevelopmental disease and represents a promising cellular tool for drug screening, diagnosis and personalized treatment.


The scientific community views autism spectrum disorders as a diseases.

Just because wrong planet says that 2+2 = 5 doesn't make it so.

The delusion that "austism isn't a disease" may sooth egos on this website, but it holds no weight in the real world.


I am glad you bring arguments to the table, I will get back on this later since my medical knowledge lacks to correctly interpret what is said here.
I'll ask a friend of mine to go over this document, since he does have the knowledge and education to make sense of this all.

Since my medical knowledge is too small to interpret this correctly I do hope your arguments on that autism being a disease aren't just based upon the phrasing used in this document.

I see you soon.

Cheerfully,
Wallourdes


The medical definition of "disease"

disease /dis·ease/ (dĭ-zēz´) any deviation from or interruption of the normal structure or function of any body part, organ, or system that is manifested by a characteristic set of symptoms and signs and whose etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown.



Words have meanings. Autism clearly fits into the above definition.

When people say that autism or asperger isn't a disease, they are twisting the truth for their own ends.

You may not like your condition being called a disease, but truth isn't a popularity contest.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:25 pm

ci wrote:
Wallourdes someone claiming to have A.S told me the aspie perspective was against the medicalization of autism and A.S. He told me I was ignorant and so on. This sort of aspie politics without the adoption of mainstream scientific acceptance just entices me to conclude it is a political groups perspective. Should it be rationalized both aspie social clique politics and insults should be left out of the discourse. My understanding just from a PR stance is the nature of pathology tends to conceptualize concepts as diseases by default. Therefore it is a matter of self-esteem and not mainstream opinion per say that is connotative of insult.

Awareness can be split off from disorder awarenesses and with concern to inclusion awareness and developmental disabilities in general I follow the law by the letter. Dignity prevails and difference is just difference. To say autism is not a disability derives attention to special interest that do not wish to help people with substantial disabilities. So the ego complex while not obviously causing problems to preserve the self-esteem can do damage to other kinds of awareness that seek to improve quality of life.

This is my assessment and by it's nature fractions off into mainstream politics.


Everyone is entitled to his opinion so does Molecular_Biologist even though he might be a minority here on WrongPlanet with his opinion on this subject.

If he can indisputably claim that autism is in fact a disease just like a the known physical ones, let him show his arguments for it - arguments make the claim so discuss the arguments not solely the claim, because a claim is a conclusion to it's arguments.

I understand the emotions that play in this but let's keep it as factual as possible from now on.

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14 Dec 2010, 11:19 pm

Emotions are facts as well. I believe dignity is the law is what I'm saying least in California under the Lanterman Act. Also with regards to autism whether or not it is a disease ultimately does not dictate how dignity is standardized. There might be unwritten rules of how public discourse should be but ultimately it might end up being a cultural matter on how society perceives "disabilities" and the subsequent classifications.

This issue is mainstream political in indirect manifestations. If this comes down to reducing and or removing accommodations for employment or treatments in root it is no longer a scientific issue but a purely socio-political and mainstream cultural issue.

Just a bit of warning.



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15 Dec 2010, 1:17 am

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Nobody is going to force a cure on an adult who doesn't want it, stop pretending that they are coming after you.


No, of course not. How could I think such a thing?

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15 Dec 2010, 1:26 am

I think it's funny but yes such a diverse politic can manifest adversity and variant politics. One human mind is one thing but many is like the complexity of the universe but even more complex perhaps. It is fascinating but I don't think anyone is going after anyone.



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15 Dec 2010, 5:27 am

Molecular_Biologist wrote:
Wallourdes wrote:
Molecular_Biologist wrote:
Wallourdes wrote:
Molecular_Biologist wrote:
Wallourdes wrote:

You are making one giant mistake in assuming autism is a disease - this is simply not been proven to be so as of yet.



It is obviously a disease to anyone who hasn't bought into the pro-autism delusion.


Could you show proof of your convictions?



Gladly.





http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21074045

A model for neural development and treatment of Rett syndrome using human induced pluripotent stem cells.


Abstract:
Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental diseases in which different combinations of genetic mutations may contribute to the phenotype. Using Rett syndrome (RTT) as an ASD genetic model, we developed a culture system using induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) from RTT patients' fibroblasts. RTT patients' iPSCs are able to undergo X-inactivation and generate functional neurons. Neurons derived from RTT-iPSCs had fewer synapses, reduced spine density, smaller soma size, altered calcium signaling and electrophysiological defects when compared to controls. Our data uncovered early alterations in developing human RTT neurons. Finally, we used RTT neurons to test the effects of drugs in rescuing synaptic defects. Our data provide evidence of an unexplored developmental window, before disease onset, in RTT syndrome where potential therapies could be successfully employed. Our model recapitulates early stages of a human neurodevelopmental disease and represents a promising cellular tool for drug screening, diagnosis and personalized treatment.


The scientific community views autism spectrum disorders as a diseases.

Just because wrong planet says that 2+2 = 5 doesn't make it so.

The delusion that "austism isn't a disease" may sooth egos on this website, but it holds no weight in the real world.


I am glad you bring arguments to the table, I will get back on this later since my medical knowledge lacks to correctly interpret what is said here.
I'll ask a friend of mine to go over this document, since he does have the knowledge and education to make sense of this all.

Since my medical knowledge is too small to interpret this correctly I do hope your arguments on that autism being a disease aren't just based upon the phrasing used in this document.

I see you soon.

Cheerfully,
Wallourdes


The medical definition of "disease"

disease /dis·ease/ (dĭ-zēz´) any deviation from or interruption of the normal structure or function of any body part, organ, or system that is manifested by a characteristic set of symptoms and signs and whose etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown.



Words have meanings. Autism clearly fits into the above definition.

When people say that autism or asperger isn't a disease, they are twisting the truth for their own ends.

You may not like your condition being called a disease, but truth isn't a popularity contest.


I've got a reaction of my friend and he told me the following:

"The researcher makes a very bold statement by making a conclusion about autism in general based upon RETT syndrome.

RETT is a pretty rare in terms of appearance. With it's very specific own traits."

I eagerly await your response.

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15 Dec 2010, 12:38 pm

Why do people have to be so stuburn and relentless over silly words (pride-mites).

Wikapedia:

Pathology is the study and diagnosis of disease. The word pathology is from Greek πάθος, pathos, "feeling, suffering"; and -λογία, -logia. Pathologization, to pathologize, refers to the process of defining a condition or behavior as pathological, e.g. pathological gambling. Pathologies is synonym with diseases. The suffix "path" is used to indicate a disease, e.g. psychopath.
Medical Pathology, Veterinary pathology and Phytopathology are the study of anatomic, biochemical or microbiological diseases. The related scientific study of disease processes is called general pathology. Psychopathology is the study of psychological or mental diseases.Medical pathology is divided into two main branches, Anatomical pathology and Clinical pathology. Veterinary pathology is concerned with animal disease, whereas phytopathology is the study of plant diseases.

Conceptualizing everything as akin to a disease like in my thinking is how I view the world. It's just a word.



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15 Dec 2010, 9:36 pm

If there is anything to add to this topic please do so in the next 1.5 days and you might consider helping out with this other related topic as well.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt146054.html

I will assess the responses with other research and take all relevant matters into equal consideration. Recommendations will be issued and a judgement will be made that adheres to both standards of dignity under the California law model and as well as adaptations with needed treatments (cures) and full analysis of the abortion and special interest issues socio-politically in context to mainstream politics. Folks the half-truths, propaganda, bull poopy arguments and so on is coming to an end for the good of those with substantial disabilities.

Nathan Young



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15 Dec 2010, 9:47 pm

I still hope Molecular_Biologist will respond to my post. Maybe it will help the topic.


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16 Dec 2010, 1:22 pm

Ok here is the judgement.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt146089.html

Justice is served... And so on..



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16 Dec 2010, 1:34 pm

*enters un-PC, non-objective mode* ci, you should learn a bit about this thing called "thinking outside of the box".



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16 Dec 2010, 1:42 pm

I have only achieved by thinking outside of the box. So far that I need to come back and get lost in my thoughts.



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16 Dec 2010, 1:43 pm

lol you replied before i could delete the post, i got a little annoyed that's all.



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16 Dec 2010, 1:45 pm

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lol you replied before i could delete the post, i got a little annoyed that's all.


Overcoming inside the box adversity is like going into outer space. It's very peaceful up up and away..

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt146089.html

Babble babble..



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21 Dec 2010, 11:07 am

I think both sides has their strenghts and weaknesses. The biggest problem is that curebies and aspie advocates are talking about different things. For a curebie, eradicating autism frequently means eradicating physical disease (like eliminating some dietary elements, removing heavy metals), or replacing maladaptive/disruptive behaviors (which parents or other people are responsible for creating in the first place, not autism itself). Nobody should disagree that we should eradicate those. But for an aspie advocate, this is not curing autism, as it doesn't change the differences in any way, just remove comorbidities.

The fault is really psychiatry's, that has defined such a monstrous critter like AS and Autism, which is a pity mix of a personality type (what aspie advocates talk about), the problems the personality-type creates in a non-accepting environment (which curebies primarily want to cure), and physical issues that just happen to be related to autism (the medical aspect).