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24 Jun 2011, 12:48 pm

And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....

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24 Jun 2011, 12:51 pm

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And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....

Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)

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24 Jun 2011, 12:56 pm

Verdandi wrote:

draelynn wrote:

And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....

Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)

Well crap. I was really hoping that super genius super powers thing would kick in and then I'd be all set.

I guess I need a plan B.

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24 Jun 2011, 1:12 pm

Verdandi wrote:

draelynn wrote:

And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....

Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)

DAMN THEM! Anime and video games are just the NT's way of keeping us down!! !

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24 Jun 2011, 1:40 pm

draelynn wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

draelynn wrote:

And here I was laboring under the notion that Asperger's CAN be associated with higher IQ scores but that the criteria actually calls for normal to elevated IQ scores....

Haven't you heard? We're all supergeniuses with superpowers who would rule the world if only we could stop perseverating on anime and video games.

(just for explicitness, that is sarcasm)

DAMN THEM! Anime and video games are just the NT's way of keeping us down!! !

Except for Pokemon.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:59 pm

Hi Swbluto,

For a while (still???), the Asperger's Syndrome was going to be defined completely away in the DSM-V, while the "user's manuals" with the DSM-IV has already "kicked" the statistical distributions of IQ against populations with a vast expansion of determinatively included IQ ranges as an inclusive element in the DSM manuals, but not the DSM Bible itself per se (the DSM "experts" calling shyness an illness doesn't make shyness an illness, except only to true-believers who overly trust the "experts" with their DSM Bible). The DSM user manuals that have IQ-cutoffs for Aspergers also use a rather arbitrary point for the lowest IQ for the applied label "Aspergers", while the distributions were DSM weighted away from criteria giving the greatest frequency to higher IQs.

Maybe Time magazine's usage of the word "Aspergery" clarifies more simply with what I'm critical of with the DSM corrupting the statistical distribution of Asperger's and IQ: http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020 ... rgers.html

While I'm also critical of IQ tests, your quoting what Callista wrote of "Not only does IQ not equal intelligence, but IQ isn't even elevated in Aspies", reminds me of a claim that yardsticks do not measure length, not even if the person measuring the length with a yardstick has Asperger's. Then, there's all the balderdash between "Intellectual Intelligence" versus "Emotional Intelligence", which might mean that dogs have more intelligence than humans do.

After graduating university magna cum laude with a bachelor's degree in science, my high IQ was exploited by federal employers to deny me employment (google "Too Smart To Be A Cop" for similar examples of employers not wanting smart employees "who might become bored" as an excuse for discrimination at the high IQ end of the spectrum, and http://www.ctb.uscourts.gov/SelOpinDoc/ ... 0Draft.pdf
for a low IQ end of the spectrum example). In grade school, a few of my teachers attempted to have me classified as Mentally ret*d (students must have the social skills to hide their being smarter than their teachers).

Successfully masking intelligence requires great social skills too, as many advanced tests have scales to catch people "faking stupid" (generally, faking causes too big of a decrease in measured IQ, or wide fluctuations with different testings), much like the scales developed with the MMPI to catch people "faking bad" (FBS).

Have you watched the bad movie "Idiocracy" (2006)???

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24 Jun 2011, 7:04 pm

The way Callista framed it is irrelevant. The study makes it clear that Asperger's is not correlated with gifted or higher IQ. Every part of you is not the product of having AS.

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24 Jun 2011, 7:17 pm

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you're serious? people will retaliate in that fashion as your teachers did? or are you exaggerating?

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24 Jun 2011, 7:19 pm

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One insurmountable perk is the Asperger's Syndrome significant effect of raising IQ test scores more than two standard deviations above normal, which Federal Judge Peter C. Dorsey would also regard as making a person with the syndrome "Too Smart To Be A Cop". "I was eliminated on the basis of my intellectual makeup," Too-Smart said. "It's the same as discrimination on the basis of gender or religion or race." But prosperous great intelligence requires the ability to successfully "fake stupid" within the great mediocrity of society.

yeah, um, my IQ is on the high end of normal. of course that was done on very little sleep as they always wake me up to early to take those stupid things, but still. BS.

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24 Jun 2011, 7:22 pm

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Some people try to blame all their problems on Aspergers: they can shift blame away from themselves. Aspergers used as an excuse to whine about the world not being fair. Aspergers used as the get out of jail defence to not accept consequences for one's own actions.

Asperger moment where someone has temporary psychosis or black out and do things that are not normal because Aspergers made them do it. They can not remember the incident due to Aspergers taking over. Doctor Jeckyll and Mr Hyde may exist in a person with Aspergers: half normal and half abnormal.

to some degree you are right, to a great degree you are wrong. just try having sensory sensitivity sometime. imagine not being able to think in the noisy environment you have to live in, or puking every time you smell diesel fumes.

letting asperger's have you means not going out and trying to do your best and instead whining about your problems. we should all do the opposite no matter how hard it is.

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24 Jun 2011, 7:22 pm

oldmantime wrote:

you're serious? people will retaliate in that fashion as your teachers did? or are you exaggerating?

Teachers are known for bullying people on the spectrum for all kinds of ridiculous reasons.

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24 Jun 2011, 7:25 pm

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letting asperger's have you means not going out and trying to do your best and instead whining about your problems. we should all do the opposite no matter how hard it is.

This is a false dilemma.

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24 Jun 2011, 7:30 pm

1) really? give me all the juicy details!

2) i don't see how so since some people do give in.

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24 Jun 2011, 7:49 pm

oldmantime wrote:

1) really? give me all the juicy details!

2) i don't see how so since some people do give in.

1) This is one example:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q96axBTFOqQ[/youtube]

For my part, I had several teachers bully me. I recall one would pick questions that basically no one could answer, but since I was the only one asked, she could mock me for not knowing in a way that would get the entire class in on the joke. Most were socially rather than physically abusive, however. I don't recall any who were physically abusive specifically toward autistic children.

2) That's not what a false dilemma is. A false dilemma is presenting two options as if they are the only options available.

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24 Jun 2011, 8:13 pm

they basically are the only options here. granted you could embrace each to a varying degree, but those degrees are formed of those two distinctions.

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24 Jun 2011, 8:15 pm

do you think this happens with government agencies by any chance?

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