Newtown school shooter = Aspie?
Having a form of autism does not make a person more likely to become a killer.
However, many people who know little of autism will perceive it that way. Which may lead to discrimination of autistic individuals.
Also, autistic people may be more reluctant to get diagnosed, which potentially could limit their access to help and support.
Although a diagnosis does not always mean you get support.
Why? What makes people with Asperger's so special? Why is it so hard to even consider the possibility that Asperger's, or some other co-morbid condition, may have been atleast partially responsible for this crime? If he did have Asperger's this does need to be take into consideration and cannot be ignored.
This lady calls herself an educator? Yeah, time for her to get a new job. What nerve to say that autistic children do not feel a sense of right or wrong. Autistic children cannot function in an environment not designed with them in mind and the more they are forced into such environments, the more they are going to act out against their own will. It's not a matter of morals, it's a matter of functioning!
Nothing wrong with that posting. It is quite true. Not all people with Asperger's are dangerous, but some are. Some people with Asperger's can function well in society, some can't. Some autistics have a great capacity for empathy, others don't.
My nephew has Asperger's. He is a very violent person and only focuses on his needs and does not even consider what his actions will do to other people.
Having a form of autism does not make a person more likely to become a killer.
However, many people who know little of autism will perceive it that way. Which may lead to discrimination of autistic individuals.
Also, autistic people may be more reluctant to get diagnosed, which potentially could limit their access to help and support.
Although a diagnosis does not always mean you get support.
Why? What makes people with Asperger's so special? Why is it so hard to even consider the possibility that Asperger's, or some other co-morbid condition, may have been atleast partially responsible for this crime? If he did have Asperger's this does need to be take into consideration and cannot be ignored.
I do not mean he is not responsible for his crime. I mean that the fact that he has Asperger's is not the main problem. It is the same when they report that the killer was from an ethnic minority. Both those things could be contributing factors to the crime a person has committed (in the case of ethnic minority probably only because of social exclusion), but they are not the only cause. The problem is that when people read about a person of a certain minority group committing a crime, a lot of people turn against this minority group.
This is not about the killer, but about the responsibility of the media to the many people who share something with this killer but are not killers..
Here in Britain there have been persistent news reports about disabled and chronically ill people being scroungers, and the result is that their is an increase in aggression against these people.
Such reporting can result in demonization of groups.
You say that 'it needs to be taken into consideration and not ignored'. And who should do that? The general public? The gossip newspapers?
I must admit that so far I have seen a lot of good, non-judgemental reporting of this case, so it may not be so bad.
Personally I think that the focus ought to be on the victims anyway. And the heroes.
Her, for instance:
"The headteacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School was killed as she lunged at the gunman, according to reports.
Town officials said Dawn Hochsprung died when attempting to tackle the gunman after he forced his way into the school."
http://news.sky.com/story/1025785/hero- ... -at-gunman
Nothing wrong with that posting. It is quite true. Not all people with Asperger's are dangerous, but some are. Some people with Asperger's can function well in society, some can't. Some autistics have a great capacity for empathy, others don't.
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There are dangerous NTs too.
ruveyn
Having a form of autism does not make a person more likely to become a killer.
However, many people who know little of autism will perceive it that way. Which may lead to discrimination of autistic individuals.
Also, autistic people may be more reluctant to get diagnosed, which potentially could limit their access to help and support.
Although a diagnosis does not always mean you get support.
Why? What makes people with Asperger's so special? Why is it so hard to even consider the possibility that Asperger's, or some other co-morbid condition, may have been atleast partially responsible for this crime? If he did have Asperger's this does need to be take into consideration and cannot be ignored.
I do not mean he is not responsible for his crime. I mean that the fact that he has Asperger's is not the main problem. It is the same when they report that the killer was from an ethnic minority. Both those things could be contributing factors to the crime a person has committed (in the case of ethnic minority probably only because of social exclusion), but they are not the only cause. The problem is that when people read about a person of a certain minority group committing a crime, a lot of people turn against this minority group.
This is not about the killer, but about the responsibility of the media to the many people who share something with this killer but are not killers..
Here in Britain there have been persistent news reports about disabled and chronically ill people being scroungers, and the result is that their is an increase in aggression against these people.
Such reporting can result in demonization of groups.
You say that 'it needs to be taken into consideration and not ignored'. And who should do that? The general public? The gossip newspapers?
I must admit that so far I have seen a lot of good, non-judgemental reporting of this case, so it may not be so bad.
Personally I think that the focus ought to be on the victims anyway. And the heroes.
Her, for instance:
"The headteacher at Sandy Hook Elementary School was killed as she lunged at the gunman, according to reports.
Town officials said Dawn Hochsprung died when attempting to tackle the gunman after he forced his way into the school."
http://news.sky.com/story/1025785/hero- ... -at-gunman
It is true that there will probably be a momentary stigmatization for those on the spectrum, but this will only be momentary as you will get counterviews expressed in the media the Asperger's wasn't the main cause. The reason why Asperger's is now thrusted into the national spotlight is because we need to understand what made this guy tick, and if he had Asperger's this shouldn't just be ignored.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthre ... ost4661605
"abc news talks of adam being troubled child with aspergers and ocd per family friend."
As a future gun owner, I wouldn't be surprised if the gun grabbers are considering a gun ban for Aspies! I hope not!
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if the henry repeating rifle, the enfield blackpowder rifle and the shotgun are all back at the house...
the AR-15 is not used but the two very recent and rapid handguns are, and he had plenty of clips,
expect gun control regulations to be tightened a.s.a.p in terms of one's background and mindframe.
the nightly national news said the poor woman had homeschooled him. he may have been very isolated.
You see this shooter as a monster. Now here's all the people in his life who bullied and abused him until he finally snapped and lost his mind. Bullying can kill people.
So very much agree!
You see this shooter as a monster. Now here's all the people in his life who bullied and abused him until he finally snapped and lost his mind. Bullying can kill people.
So very much agree!
Actually, bullying victims aren't usually the ones that go on to kill people (that's one of the biggest myths of the columbine tragedy, actually). Bullying victims, however, do sometimes kill themselves-the fact that this does not stop bullies makes me sick.
You see this shooter as a monster. Now here's all the people in his life who bullied and abused him until he finally snapped and lost his mind. Bullying can kill people.
So very much agree!
Actually, bullying victims aren't usually the ones that go on to kill people (that's one of the biggest myths of the columbine tragedy, actually). Bullying victims, however, do sometimes kill themselves-the fact that this does not stop bullies makes me sick.
Usually.
But I know at least one mass killer (Olga Hepnerova..I talked about her here before)
who was bullied and who killed to stop the bullies..well, as a society, as she felt all the people within it were gulity)
Adam I bet was in a way similar.
IDK, it is sad to see children cry , being hurt and dead.
But personally I am so tired of humanity, of people being cruel and coldhearted,
that..I kind of just want to understand.
No one kills oneself if there is not a very serious reason for that.
(of course he went there to die)
What does what sounds like a nervous system problem have to do with a persons propensity for violence?
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Sunday, news plastered all over about Aspergers / Autism and whether or not it leads to violence.
Most news outlets using "Aspergers" even while that term has been 'retired' from shrink use.
Very few news outlets getting the fact that autism is a neurological disorder.
This has mushroomed to the point it will probably affect all of us with public perceptions being fed all kinds of misinformation.
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Monday now, the Aspergers angle has gone totally viral, being discussed everywhere. Lots of articles and "experts" now coming out.
The LEOs have not released much info so the autism angle is one of the only aspects ppl are able to grab onto to try to characterize the shooter.
It is mushrooming out there. Hopefully autism will gain broader accurate awareness but the hysteria level right now is high.
Not to mention the "doomsday prepper gun" angle being bandied.
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