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Will gun confiscation start the Second American Civil War
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21 Dec 2012, 11:25 am

what is a massachusetts firearms inentification card.

class C to own a long gun with a magazine of 6 or less rounds.to keep a pistol in you house but it must be transported to shooting range in a locked case.

class B to carry a visable hostered pistol

class A to conceal a pistol or own a semi auto rifle or shotgun with a magazine capasity of more then 6 round.like a AR15.mass doesnt consider a class A fid a second amendment right


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21 Dec 2012, 3:06 pm

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We have some partial good news from the boston herald today about mental health,disability and gun ownership.and for those on this forum who find me anoying and take my posts out of context.i emphasize "partial good news"


massachustts law enforcement wants access to mental health records for processing gun lisences.
but here is the good news.

if someone with autism,depresion or whatever is working with a doctor and taking there medication,disability is no bar to gun ownership

That will probably meet resistance in court from the mental health community, both advocates and professionals alike.


So what you're saying is, mental health professionals would challenge a law allowing people on meds to buy guns. That's reasonable. They can buy guns after passing through withdrawal. Yes, the recent killer
has AS, but he was on meds, and had a personality disorder. At least half of mass shootings are caused by people on meds, not simply by "assault weapons" with high capacity magazines.

Now, challenging a law allowing for the arming of unmedicated aspies would be a different story.


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21 Dec 2012, 11:59 pm

This may be a little off topic, but who agrees with banning semi automatic assault rifles? Or matter of fact, semi auto anything and high capacity magazines over 30 rounds.


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22 Dec 2012, 12:13 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
We have some partial good news from the boston herald today about mental health,disability and gun ownership.and for those on this forum who find me anoying and take my posts out of context.i emphasize "partial good news"


massachustts law enforcement wants access to mental health records for processing gun lisences.
but here is the good news.

if someone with autism,depresion or whatever is working with a doctor and taking there medication,disability is no bar to gun ownership

That will probably meet resistance in court from the mental health community, both advocates and professionals alike.


So what you're saying is, mental health professionals would challenge a law allowing people on meds to buy guns. That's reasonable. They can buy guns after passing through withdrawal. Yes, the recent killer
has AS, but he was on meds, and had a personality disorder. At least half of mass shootings are caused by people on meds, not simply by "assault weapons" with high capacity magazines.

Now, challenging a law allowing for the arming of unmedicated aspies would be a different story.


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Medications for any underlying condition/ Comorbid actually.


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22 Dec 2012, 1:04 am

NorthPark wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
We have some partial good news from the boston herald today about mental health,disability and gun ownership.and for those on this forum who find me anoying and take my posts out of context.i emphasize "partial good news"


massachustts law enforcement wants access to mental health records for processing gun lisences.
but here is the good news.

if someone with autism,depresion or whatever is working with a doctor and taking there medication,disability is no bar to gun ownership

That will probably meet resistance in court from the mental health community, both advocates and professionals alike.


So what you're saying is, mental health professionals would challenge a law allowing people on meds to buy guns. That's reasonable. They can buy guns after passing through withdrawal. Yes, the recent killer
has AS, but he was on meds, and had a personality disorder. At least half of mass shootings are caused by people on meds, not simply by "assault weapons" with high capacity magazines.

Now, challenging a law allowing for the arming of unmedicated aspies would be a different story.


Medication for Aspies?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Medications for any underlying condition/ Comorbid actually.


Okay, that makes sense. I myself take citalapram (spelling) for anxiety.

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22 Dec 2012, 1:08 am

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Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.



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22 Dec 2012, 1:23 am

MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It's ironic how Democrats champion for Womens' rights, gay rights, social programs and rights for everyone but if you are a gun owner, or a would be gun owner, to the donkey, you're the f$@&ing devil to them and spit at you. I have mostly democrat beliefs but on guns, I switch to the elephant unless they make even less sense.


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22 Dec 2012, 1:34 am

MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It makes perfect sense, both parties are one in the same. Both are made up of 1% power brokers.


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22 Dec 2012, 1:41 am

NorthPark wrote:
MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It's ironic how Democrats champion for Womens' rights, gay rights, social programs and rights for everyone but if you are a gun owner, or a would be gun owner, to the donkey, you're the f$@&ing devil to them and spit at you. I have mostly democrat beliefs but on guns, I switch to the elephant unless they make even less sense.


That's in fact what the elephants want you to believe. Plenty of Democrats are gun owners, like the Ragin' Cajun James Carville, or the late leftist wildman, Hunter S. Thompson. It's the fanatical gun advocates who think owning firearms supersedes everyone else' rights who the Democrats hold in disdain.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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22 Dec 2012, 1:55 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It's ironic how Democrats champion for Womens' rights, gay rights, social programs and rights for everyone but if you are a gun owner, or a would be gun owner, to the donkey, you're the f$@&ing devil to them and spit at you. I have mostly democrat beliefs but on guns, I switch to the elephant unless they make even less sense.


That's in fact what the elephants want you to believe. Plenty of Democrats are gun owners, like the Ragin' Cajun James Carville, or the late leftist wildman, Hunter S. Thompson. It's the fanatical gun advocates who think owning firearms supersedes everyone else' rights who the Democrats hold in disdain.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


What do you think Hunter S Thompson would think of Barack Obama? I believe he was an enthusiastic owner of many "assault weapons".

There are plenty of democrats who support gun rights but I imagine many are out of political expediency because of their districts and the true believers out there will get trampled by the national party.



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22 Dec 2012, 2:07 am

Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It's ironic how Democrats champion for Womens' rights, gay rights, social programs and rights for everyone but if you are a gun owner, or a would be gun owner, to the donkey, you're the f$@&ing devil to them and spit at you. I have mostly democrat beliefs but on guns, I switch to the elephant unless they make even less sense.


That's in fact what the elephants want you to believe. Plenty of Democrats are gun owners, like the Ragin' Cajun James Carville, or the late leftist wildman, Hunter S. Thompson. It's the fanatical gun advocates who think owning firearms supersedes everyone else' rights who the Democrats hold in disdain.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


What do you think Hunter S Thompson would think of Barack Obama? I believe he was an enthusiastic owner of many "assault weapons".

There are plenty of democrats who support gun rights but I imagine many are out of political expediency because of their districts and the true believers out there will get trampled by the national party.


As Thompson had committed suicide - probably due to Bush's reelection - historical "might have beens" are hazardous at best. So I have no idea what Thompson would think of Obama.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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22 Dec 2012, 3:14 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It's ironic how Democrats champion for Womens' rights, gay rights, social programs and rights for everyone but if you are a gun owner, or a would be gun owner, to the donkey, you're the f$@&ing devil to them and spit at you. I have mostly democrat beliefs but on guns, I switch to the elephant unless they make even less sense.


That's in fact what the elephants want you to believe. Plenty of Democrats are gun owners, like the Ragin' Cajun James Carville, or the late leftist wildman, Hunter S. Thompson. It's the fanatical gun advocates who think owning firearms supersedes everyone else' rights who the Democrats hold in disdain.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


yea, plenty of them are gun owners yet they want a ban on weapons. Really shows how much sense they have been making



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22 Dec 2012, 3:39 am

MXH wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
MXH wrote:
PM wrote:
Hopefully you are not referring to the Illuminatti or some other type of conspiracy theory.

The shadow government is as plain as day, the 1% has pretty much enslaved the 99% and gun control is just a tool to further control the poor and working classes.


Umm... did you reread this when you wrote it? Cause it makes no damn sense whatsoever. If the 1% wanted to enslave the 99%, then the party that "helps" the 1%, being the republicans, would be the one about gun control. But its the other way around.


It's ironic how Democrats champion for Womens' rights, gay rights, social programs and rights for everyone but if you are a gun owner, or a would be gun owner, to the donkey, you're the f$@&ing devil to them and spit at you. I have mostly democrat beliefs but on guns, I switch to the elephant unless they make even less sense.


That's in fact what the elephants want you to believe. Plenty of Democrats are gun owners, like the Ragin' Cajun James Carville, or the late leftist wildman, Hunter S. Thompson. It's the fanatical gun advocates who think owning firearms supersedes everyone else' rights who the Democrats hold in disdain.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


yea, plenty of them are gun owners yet they want a ban on weapons. Really shows how much sense they have been making


Who says Democrats want to ban all weapons? Oh, that's right, the gun lobby and the Republicans.

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22 Dec 2012, 3:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Who says Democrats want to ban all weapons? Oh, that's right, the gun lobby and the Republicans.

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Only the ones that fire bullets.

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22 Dec 2012, 4:02 am

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Who says Democrats want to ban all weapons? Oh, that's right, the gun lobby and the Republicans.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Only the ones that fire bullets.

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:lol:

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22 Dec 2012, 9:31 am

most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


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