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Aghogday, sounds to me like you have more in common with Thomas, than the other so called disciples. Have you looked into the gospel attributed to him? Thomas

Yes, Dent Arthur Dent, I have and actually provided the link to the actual text earlier in the discussion, as linked here again:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

The chances of any written text coming close to what the actual man Yeshua said in his life, is not likely. In oral tradition around a table the story can change in less than thirty minutes. But, at least the text is based on oral tradition as early as any other reported version and much more trustworthy to me, than an early religious council of power brokers, not unlike a corporate boardroom, which does reflect the inner workings of the Catholic Church for centuries. There is a great deal of improvement now, but still a long way to go, before human nature is reflected in the Catholic Church official teachings.

What I see in the gospel of Thomas is a great deal of metaphorical truth, regardless of who originated the text. The saying of as above so below, certainly rings true in science now, as we see the patterns of nature in the golden mean spiral of 1.618 from galaxies down to the Quantum physics level.

But of course those patterned elements were in nature then too, for those who had the time on their hands to observe and note the similarities.

Additionally the focus in the Gospel of Thomas is that of living now, per greater human potential.

Modern Christianity is about a fairy tale, with reality as not the real story; yes, a good way to gain control over the masses promising heaven after death, and promoting poverty in life, but no way to live life in the heaven of now, as reflected in the Gospel of Thomas.

Also, the similarities of these metaphorical teachings are very much like the traditional way of the Yogi, in looking totally within the human being to exert will and control and mastery over one's bodily functions down to control of body temperature, emotions, and basically bliss by controlling neurochemicals and neurohormones through the nuances of will. Sorry, but the English language does not have effective words for describing these abilities, that yes I have gained myself in this life now, and documented along the way. Describing how to do it, is a much harder task that I continue to attempt to do, but am a long way from being successful in relating this to folks who do not have these abilities, as before I had no ability to regulate my emotions, my body temperature, my neurochemicals and neurohormones, or strength of fearless will, or even physical tension.

I think the reason for that is obvious. I spent a life in academic pursuits stuck in my head, instead of pursuing human potential from within.

I escaped culture, and found my human potential, a much greater reward than any possible materialistic reward as it all starts and ends with what we will and believe in life, and what we value in life.

We are in control, we can be in control, but many folks are not in control with will in their lives; culture runs it instead of human will.

The matrix analogy is similar to the Yogi way and Gospel of Thomas too. These metaphors ring similarly true in many world-wide philosophies not tainted by folks who want to gain control over others by making them weak through fear, repression, and oppression of their human nature.

And finally my favorite verse is verse 37 found in the older limited version and the longer version translated in English in 1959.

Believe in yourself, and find your human potential that is above so below, inside and outside of what is reality now.

This is not much different from the philosophy of Aleister Crowley, John Lennon, or Thomas Jefferson; or the way of Luciferianism other than the mythical belief of a fallen angel.

The world would be a different place if Thomas 37 took the place of John 3:16, but obviously that would have totally contradicted the needs of power of the Roman Empire and what was the early Catholic Church then.

But with the worldwide selfie craze and smart phones; that reality is coming true; Thomas 37 or no Thomas 37.

The truth is hard to hide, when freedom of expression rings true.

I'll live with truth, and let the others believe in lies if they want to, but I'll do my best to tactfully show them some light, in the way of knowledge that makes sense with evolved human nature.

The science of human being is most definitely my all-encompassing special interest at this time, and my evidence of human potential is mounting day by day.

Simply I do this, and truly I do it, as I do not let anyone hold me back, and I have that ability per the freedoms that the United States offers for those individuals willing to exercise those freedoms.

Yes, I am patriotic too, as an advocate for the GOD of nature and country too.

Some scholars say the Gospel of Thomas was actually written earlier than the Gospel of Mark. The Gospel of Thomas is kind of strange, but I think it is important for that reason. It is probably more authentic than some of the other non-canonical books written later.

Pritty sure there is more interesting stuff than that before writings could be written. It is literally carved in stone. Not as words. But statues that tell a tale. The oldest language. Now just an ancient riddle that cannot be told. A forgotten truth. Left with table scraps. Picking up pieces, when it should be unlearned, and re-invented. Re-made. Those ancient texts were not the beginning. It was the end. People who cannot see, or understand, do not want others to have what they cannot. This is war. The truth was destroyed. A fairy tale is all your going to get. Or the alternative. There is nothing there. Majority wins. And yes yes. Love has everything to do with it. These things do not work without it. Unfortunately not everyone possesses this behavior either. The biggest thorn.

Yes, in the Renaissance time of great artistic and science achievement, it was often said that sculpture of the human form, in all its glory retains and relates more information than words will ever deliver.

And now of course science finally catches up, with the understanding that 60 to 93 percent of all of human social communication is non-verbal instead of verbal. So much of a disability when folks lack this ability, that there is a disorder named autism spectrum disorder where one of the requirements to meet this challenge is adversity in either delivering or receiving non-verbal communication.

For people with these non-verbal disabilities in communication, the sculptures likely mean very little; whereas to the visually thinking person, they could mean more than a thousand nuanced emotions and feelings, as well as visual and patterned ways of symbolically interpreting the world around them.

Brings a whole new interpretation to the chosen ones of mother nature. It's not fair. It is what it is.

And increasingly we as a nation, in western ways and eastern ways now too, of doing things, live in a text world far removed from all of reality, only exacerbating the issues that already exist, where nature aka GOD is not fair. The great thing though, is through the process of epigenetics and neuroplasticity, change is indeed and in deed possible, but not when one does the same things over and over, per Einstein's described philosophy of insanity.

Adapt to adversity and change, or stay still and stale, pretty much sums it up to me. Still and stale is often an anxious and depressing way to be and go, anywhere in life, in my best estimation, which reminds me after writing close to 6 thousand words on this site in the last 24 hours, time to move on to something different for a while; like martial arts, dance, and song, and other so called ancient ways of truly finding balance, peace, bliss, and happiness like connecting to flesh and blood folks in real life too.. :) If I can just get over this upper respiratory virus that slowed me down enough to bring me here, in the last 24 hours, I'll be on my way, to full freedom, peace, bliss, and overall thriving happiness moreover now, again. :) Moving 'baby'; once again; adapting and striving to go on stronger than ever before. It's a state of mind put into action now; not an expectation or limitation, so prevalent as our overall cultural way today.

No. I respect people, but I don't have to respect beliefs.

From your link to Wikipedia:











You provided no scientific evidence, only philosophical argument.



The vast majority of people who say this kind of thing are not scientists, but people trying to play the persecuted minority game. Science isn't supposed to prove god doesn't exist any more than it is supposed to prove that smurfs do not exist.



And leaving off the very next sentence that began with "however" (see above), which is why you stand as a quote mining individual who quotes out of context. You repeatedly quoted Hawking out of context, despite the fact that he does not believe that anyone or anything made the universe for us. Some of your quotes only used part of what he was saying, and some you took out of context that were meant to be pointing out absurdity.



Again, you provided no scientific evidence to support the existence of god. "Good science" is science that relies on hard observable data in repeated tests by different people, but if I remember correctly, you don't believe math exists outside of the human imagination so I guess philosophy counts as science.

If the universe were fine tuned for life, why is the vast overwhelming majoity completely inhospitable to it? And as for life developing against astronomical odds, consider the vast virtually infinite of space-time. Even with a statistical improbably of centillions to one you would end up with plenty of life in the vast immensity of just this universe (even if you assume this is the only universe that exists).

If you want to believe in god or a higher power, go right ahead. It only bothers me when you try to justify it by "proving" things that have not and cannot be proven, especially when you try to use quotes from people who have emphatically argued against your belief on the matter.

Science does show that some definitions of God are false beyond a reasonable doubt. Like the Christian/ Jewish/ Islamic God.

We can have a debate on fine-tuning. I think it's not a valid argument based on my reading of the late physicist Victor Stenger who points out it's fallacies. So, one can have valid scientific reasons for rejecting the fine-tuning argument. It's intellectually dishonest to apply the "no true Scotsman" fallacy to science in this case.

If you do not respect peoples beliefs, than how are you respecting the person? I'm confused?

I don't see why science is such a big deal. Scientists can't even figure out how a bicycle works. According to science, it is not supposed to do what it does. Sometimes you do things, or just know things, and you need to throw science out the window. Science did not make a bicycle. A guy thought it would work. He thought it would be cool. So he did it. And now scientists ride them every day. Knowing the fact that it is theoretically impossible for it to work the way it does, and they don't really know why. You have to feel it. Something science does not know anything about. And possibly never will.

What a load of BS. Once again you are conflating common sense with reality. You see a bike, lots of them, being ridden everyday then assume that the physics behind them must be simple. Then when you find out that the physics is not FULLY understood you give the exalted cry of "see science is crap, it cant even work out how a bike works.

First up, without physics you would not realize the mechanism of a bike is extraordinarily complex. And secondly when science points this out you see this as a weakness in out knowledge rather than an example of just how far we have come.

Why don't you go learn about what we know instead of pretending that science gets it wrong or simply cannot explain simple things, go learn about spacetime, understand why mass less particles must move at the speed they do. Go learn about cosmology and how we use these concepts to determine what is going on in the universe, and most importantly go learn how we use particle physics and quantum mechanics in our everyday lives. Once you have done this then you might have a grasp of why not fully understanding how a bicycle works goes to show just how complicated it is.

If you don't think science is a big deal may I suggest you never again use a gps, do not turn on your computer, put down your phone, certainly never go and have a PET scan, or MRI, in fact leave all types of modern medicine to those fools who revel in knowledge garnered through the scientific method and rely, instead on the Doctrine of Signatures to determine which plants you should consume as medicine.

A person's beliefs are not fixed. Theists can become atheists. I can say their beliefs are irrational or even stupid, but people aren't necessarily stupid for believing them, they just make mistakes, or they are misinformed, or they don't know certain facts. I try to treat people with respect, if they deserve it. A belief is an abstract thing that can be addressed or even ridiculed apart from the person.

Looks like the burning martyr was actually guilty of the crime that she was being martyred for: quoting out of context. Lol!

In that same thread LNH also asserted that it takes faith to deny the overwhelming evidence that extraterrestrials programed life on earth- evidence presented in her favorite Russell Crow science fiction thriller. So much faith that- the fact that scientists dont immediately drop Darwin, and start adopting the Russell Crow model proves that "scientists are all practicing religion". I tried to get her to share this overwhelming evidence, but she danced around the issue for five pages, and still has yet to present it.

Wow! Science has it's place just like anything else. It does not explain everything, and it will not. Just exactly what makes that ego of yours know how I think anyways? You have been wrong about me before, and still are today. Only a fool would believe science can explain everything. Science certianly cannot explain how you make me feel that's for sure. You will not know unless I tell you. I'm not trying to bait anyone here sir. before you go flying off your handles on me again with all of your self importance read this please. [img]http:// New Statesman | We still don?t really know how bicycles work
http://www.newstatesman.com/science/201 ... ycles-work[/img]

And hey. No swearing! Have a great day.

Well I know how my bicycle works: there are leprechauns running alongside using their magic to make it possible.

[img][600:800]http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/graphics/lego/leprechaun.png[/img]

Is there a reason why a theist does not deserve respect? Other than the illegal deeds they may perform of course?