A new Revolution in America, how could it happen?

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17 May 2011, 11:03 pm

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As long as the majority of people are able to stay relatively in their comfort zones I can’t see them doing much no matter what. If ever enough of those comforts and services they take for granted are gone then the possibilities could start to become realities in terms of civil unrest. At that time anything could set of a chain reaction.
Remember that the chain of events that led up to WWI started with the assassination of two people.

A good percentage of the US military would defect from the government before they allow themselves to become the tools of oppression (or suppression). If they join the revolutionaries then it stands to reason that they will bring with them some of the US military assets in their control.
For most of the fighting revolutionaries it will be guerrilla warfare in the form of sabotage, hit and run raids, booby traps, long range precision rifle fire on select targets, harassment and interdiction, etc…..

It will not be fun because losses and suffering on both sides will be staggering and there is nothing guaranteed as to the final outcome.
If it lasts too long then the revolutionaries will likely start to turn on each other over differences and split the cause up into a bunch of little personal wars.

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A military takeover of the US government would no doubt be an interesting first step towards a military dictatorship. It's
not exactly what I would feel is progress.


You apparently don't have a very high opinion of the character and integrity of the US military as a whole.
Or, as usual, you just don't get the point...........
Exactly.



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18 May 2011, 8:59 am

Most Revolutions are like mothers who end up eating their children.

Evolution beats revolution.

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18 May 2011, 7:41 pm

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Evolution beats revolution.


Whatever that's supposed to mean in practical terms.............
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18 May 2011, 8:11 pm

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Evolution beats revolution.


Whatever that's supposed to mean in practical terms.............
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Practically speaking, incremental improvement is better than radical revolution. Revolutions have a tendency to eat their children.

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18 May 2011, 8:23 pm

Then what about when things get incrementally worse? That’s usually what triggers a revolution.
If they were getting better there'd be no need for a revolution.



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19 May 2011, 5:44 am

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Then what about when things get incrementally worse? That’s usually what triggers a revolution.
If they were getting better there'd be no need for a revolution.


When things get incrementally worse we should work on incrementally reversing the trend. So far there is no reason to have a revolution. We have legal means to change things. It is called voting. If the public is too stupid to do that, it will have to get incrementally smarter.

And things can be changed. We eliminated slavery in this country without a revolution. We had a civil war instead.

Women got the legal right to vote without a revolution

Civil rights were finally guaranteed to black folks without a revolution.

So incremental changes are possible, if not easy.

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25 Jul 2011, 9:10 pm

I think it will start after the 2012 election and it will be more of a race/class war than a revolution although overthrowing the government will be the end result. No matter if Obama is reelected or not the other side will feel like the election was rigged and that they have no options left. The rich and upper middle class aren't going to stand by while they are bled dry and all their wealth given to the poor. At the same time the poor and lower middle class will feel like their one chance at leveling the playing field was taken away from them if he isn't reelected. There are not enough police and military in this country to stop it if widespread rioting takes place. After Katrina it was only a few hours before rioting and looting broke out. Police and national guard units from around the country responded and took weeks to restore order. That was a small number of people and it still took weeks to stop it. How would a nationwide revolt look? Truly nightmare stuff.



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25 Jul 2011, 9:13 pm

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I think it will start after the 2012 election and it will be more of a race/class war than a revolution although overthrowing the government will be the end result. No matter if Obama is reelected or not the other side will feel like the election was rigged and that they have no options left. The rich and upper middle class aren't going to stand by while they are bled dry and all their wealth given to the poor. At the same time the poor and lower middle class will feel like their one chance at leveling the playing field was taken away from them if he isn't reelected. There are not enough police and military in this country to stop it if widespread rioting takes place. After Katrina it was only a few hours before rioting and looting broke out. Police and national guard units from around the country responded and took weeks to restore order. That was a small number of people and it still took weeks to stop it. How would a nationwide revolt look? Truly nightmare stuff.


No. There will not be a Revolution. The American people at this juncture are too risk aversive for that.

Back in 1776 only 1/3 of the adult male population was in favor a a revolution to achieve independence from England.

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25 Jul 2011, 10:54 pm

Well considering there are a lot of signs that the economy is really going to s**t, I think its safe to say sh*t could hit the fan.



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25 Jul 2011, 11:31 pm

I think religious communes should be set up where people can share money and property in common and practice a form of Communism. During hard economic times the fortunate can support the less fortunate. Unfortunately the Christian Right is violently opposed to the idea and wants everyone to be either a winner or a loser



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25 Jul 2011, 11:38 pm

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I think religious communes should be set up where people can share money and property in common and practice a form of Communism. During hard economic times the fortunate can support the less fortunate. Unfortunately the Christian Right is violently opposed to the idea and wants everyone to be either a winner or a loser

There's the Amish, there's the Mennonites, there's Mormon polygamists, there's a militant Muslim one somewhere in New York, there were a zillion new age hippie new age ones once upon a time that I don't know if they are still around, and there are a bunch of small cults as well. There's lots of communes to choose from, just make sure they are BATFE approved. :wink:


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26 Jul 2011, 6:56 am

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Well considering there are a lot of signs that the economy is really going to sh**, I think its safe to say sh*t could hit the fan.


Why was there no revolution during the Great Depression?

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26 Jul 2011, 7:50 am

^^ That is a really good question, actually.



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15 Jul 2012, 6:03 pm

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^^ That is a really good question, actually.


Probably because people still had a sense of hope for the future. We hadn't been sold out into dept and the Nation had plenty of resources open to be utilized by the people or purchased at reasonable prices. For example the cost of a piece of farmland up until recently could generally be paid for within a few years of profits from working the land. Good luck with that now-a-days.

The system has become obviously corrupt to anyone with the mind power to use reason and logic to see past the opinions perpetuated by the media. The bigger question is why wouldn't people revolt and I think that is primarily for one of two reasons. 1st and most commonly they are ignorant and or brainwashed and 2nd because they are afraid of the consequences to themselves and collectively of our ability to survive in the wake of the chaos revolution is bound to cause.



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15 Jul 2012, 7:42 pm

Grover wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
^^ That is a really good question, actually.


Probably because people still had a sense of hope for the future. We hadn't been sold out into dept and the Nation had plenty of resources open to be utilized by the people or purchased at reasonable prices. For example the cost of a piece of farmland up until recently could generally be paid for within a few years of profits from working the land. Good luck with that now-a-days.

The system has become obviously corrupt to anyone with the mind power to use reason and logic to see past the opinions perpetuated by the media. The bigger question is why wouldn't people revolt and I think that is primarily for one of two reasons. 1st and most commonly they are ignorant and or brainwashed and 2nd because they are afraid of the consequences to themselves and collectively of our ability to survive in the wake of the chaos revolution is bound to cause.


Hitler saved the U.S. economy., He threatened Britain and he declared war on the U.S. on Dec 11, 1941. We went to war, we profited from it and we did not have a revolution.

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16 Jul 2012, 1:56 pm

Fnord wrote:
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The only way American citizens would revolt is if you made us get off our asses...

Now that would stir the populace to rebellion!

Yeah, but first you'd have to make half of us put down the TV remote, and the other half to log off the Internet!


And put down our cheetos, and get two others to help get our lardasses up off the couch.