Aspergers and above average IQ
I may be dumb, but I'm a highly creative dunce.
Well I also have poor working memory and low PSI, yet I'm create at math. Hmm...
Just a thought, it seems that relatively low WMI / PSI and higher VCI / PRI (POI) is a common characteristic of ASDs:
I just want to say that there is as much variation in AS as there is in the general population. These things written about VCI>PMI and low WMI and PSI should be taken with a grain of salt. This is like saying that NTs tend to score 100 on the WAIS.
Yes, I've seen data that contradicts it, Australien's scatter is one of them. Maybe I shouldn't be caught up in it, but I can't help.
You and I have similar sentiments about this!!
I could not agree more with this statement, I am an Aspie with an average IQ as is my partner but often find that we seem to be down graded by these Aspie "elitist" types who use the high IQ thing to boost themselves and make themselves out to be better than those with average IQ's.
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I totally agree with this..
To mock those with severe to profound intellectual disabilities just to make a point is disgusting and wrong!
You are clearly not severely ret*d. For you to say that is just plain absurd. For you to stoop so low as to become a troll of this board is beyond my comprehension.
I believe the correct answer to the original post has been already made clear enough.
I will forever fail to understand people who want to know the truth, yet they repeatedly try to deceive others by professing to "know the truth".
Hala and I have answered the original post with the most correct answers that exist. So I believe we're done here, as we have better things to do with our lives than to deal with the trivialities of lesser people: namely TROLLS and LIARS.
I would to say that upon reading this thread further I have come to realise that I misjudged ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo so my apologies to Ana..
To mock those with severe to profound intellectual disabilities just to make a point is disgusting and wrong!
You are clearly not severely ret*d. For you to say that is just plain absurd. For you to stoop so low as to become a troll of this board is beyond my comprehension.
I believe the correct answer to the original post has been already made clear enough.
I will forever fail to understand people who want to know the truth, yet they repeatedly try to deceive others by professing to "know the truth".
Hala and I have answered the original post with the most correct answers that exist. So I believe we're done here, as we have better things to do with our lives than to deal with the trivialities of lesser people: namely TROLLS and LIARS.
I hear you!!
Like you I am also sick to death of these stereotypes that everyone with Aspergers has to be like Einstein and everyone with ADD/ADHD is dumb, those stereotypes are totally incorrect and they need to be corrected
I am an Aspie with ADHD and I have average intelligence, I have met some really smart ADDer's and some really dumb Aspies and vice versa, in the case both Aspergers and ADD/ADHD the only thing we really have in common is our diagnostic label, in most cases AS and ADD/ADHD manifests itself different in each person and we are completely different to one another in lots of ways and that includes levels of intellectual functioning!!
Like you I also agree that IQ doesn't count for anything..
We are not all Albert Einstein and at times I'm kind of sick of the whole we all have to be Albert Einstein to be on the spectrum or that we all have to be really dumb to have ADD or whatever Hollywood likes to throw at us.
We really have no idea if there was anything wrong with Einstein at all and we never will really know unless someone can travel into the past and test him.
I guess what I'm really trying to say is can I just be me and not be compared to ever one else thats on the damn spectrum. I mean really I don't even like that they call those things spectrums.
Agreed if we were all like Einstein there would be more problems. Most people dont know any thing about how he functioned out of the "lab". He had a lot of help but thats history now. I have a high I.Q. but I would give any one 20 points off it to function better and to comunicate better with the average joe. What good is a hight I.Q. number if you cant comuicate you're thoughts. The last test given by New York state when I was a teen was 155 but you look at my spelling and gramar you would not belive it.
So in other words I.Q. is worthless as a test in real life. Genius my I have to be reminded to pay bills, feed the animals, put gas in the car, ect.[/quote]
Actually, gifted children are more likely to be misdiagnosed with ADD/ADHD than anything else.
Back on topic, I think there would be a small correlation, since ASD is strongly correlated with the introverted and thinking>feeling Jungian personality types, which are both correlated with IQ more positively than their counterparts. But I strongly doubt there is anything causal, such as ASD = exaggerated cognitive behavior of highly intelligent people, like some idiotic "psychologists" who seem to think that ASPD = high intelligence because they saw a movie about a fictional character named Hannibal Lecter once.
My IQ is 167. It apparently "masked" the Asperger's according to my doctors(well, at least the Executive Function problems) when I was younger.
I don't necessarily think there a correlary between Asperger's and IQ. Which is a shame. Then again, many of my symptoms render my IQ moot in many situations.
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I am 16 and have an IQ of 184, I was diagnosed with AS a couple weeks ago (not because it went unnoticed - multiple therapists and teachers suspected it and told my parents - but because my mother refuses to accept it). I'm not sure if there is any correlation between IQ and AS but it may help mask the symptoms, I know how to act "normal" but at the root of it I find other peoples actions and aversions to my own illogical.
This is also my first post, I hope I did it right.
This is also my first post, I hope I did it right.
IQ points are irrelevant.
There are several reasons for this:
1. IQ tests are designed for NT persons and normal NT perceptions. They are not fully compatible with people with ASD.
2. IQ tests are not absolutely accurate. They are based on a current understanding of what it means to be "intelligent". The criteria are subjective and could change at any time. You could have a poor result on the test and still be fairly smart in daily life (or vice versa).
3. You can't really measure something as complex as the human mind in numbers. Especially not in a single number. That's simply stupid.
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There are several reasons for this:
1. IQ tests are designed for NT persons and normal NT perceptions. They are not fully compatible with people with ASD.
2. IQ tests are not absolutely accurate. They are based on a current understanding of what it means to be "intelligent". The criteria are subjective and could change at any time. You could have a poor result on the test and still be fairly smart in daily life (or vice versa).
3. You can't really measure something as complex as the human mind in numbers. Especially not in a single number. That's simply stupid.
I agree with this. I've noticed that my performance on almost any task for the first time is really poor. But then a little bit of practice makes a huge difference. I went from 700-900 (can't remember exactly, though it was "below average") to 1510 on the old SAT (=34 on the ACT). Yes. Really.
I scored a little above average on the IQ test for my diagnosis (with mind-blowing subtests scatter), and the report said, "is likely to significantly underperform" even this average IQ academically. Um. Right. Lol. I did a few puzzles on my phone. Big instant improvement. Basically, IQ tests are crap, if they purport to measure innate ability. If they purport to measure current ability, then I'd say they are accurate.
I think I have dyspraxia so figuring out how to do a new thing on the fly is impossible for me. That involves IQ subtests or standardized tests like the SAT I've never seen before, but once I get some familiarity and can focus only on the mental exercise itself, then things are markedly different. I don't know if this is common for those on the spectrum or not.
I'm going by what my psychologist says, and in general Aspies have high IQs. I have been tested and I also have a high IQ.
The defense of a high IQ really isn't a good one, IQ is useless without the application to drive it. Being really smart is useless if you don't do anything with it.
Usually Aspies that use these sayings are newly diagnosed, and need to feel good about themselves.
This is exactly what I am talking about; where is the proof for this claim! I know for a fact that this is fallacious. My ex partner works with aspergers kids, who by the way all have IQ's below 70
Anyone below a normal IQ by cannot be diagnosed with Asperger's
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I took two IQ tests when I was in school but I don't remember what the exact score (down to numbers) but I was above average.
I'm 31, now in school for a second bachelor's and my GPA is 3.9.
I speak two languages fluently, and know a little Italian.
I suppose that explains the level of my intelligence is.
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