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10 Sep 2010, 2:16 am

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There's something fundamentally wrong when people who claim that ACORN caused the financial crisis by strong-arming the banks into lending to black people are treated as people whose views deserve respect and that such views are acceptable to hold and to propagate in polite company.


What is so wrong about holding this view, and stating it in 'polite company,' etc. etc............?

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In America, if any viewpoint is even slightly critical of black organizations, than its "racist."



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10 Sep 2010, 11:29 am

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There's something fundamentally wrong when people who claim that ACORN caused the financial crisis by strong-arming the banks into lending to black people are treated as people whose views deserve respect and that such views are acceptable to hold and to propagate in polite company.


What is so wrong about holding this view, and stating it in 'polite company,' etc. etc............?

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In America, if any viewpoint is even slightly critical of black organizations, than its "racist."

What did ACORN and the banks expect to happen when lots of money was lent to people that don't have the means to pay it back? Some minority groups had an attitude that they were entitled to a house based on their race. If the banks held their ground and stuck to issuing home loans base on credit and income and stayed away from the sub-prime lending (or even prime lending for that matter) to minorities based on race, the economy might not have crashed so hard. Everyone seems to conveniently forget that Obama and Barney Frank were at the forefront of the sub-prime lending to minorities.


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10 Sep 2010, 1:58 pm

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My concern is that there is a continued encouragement for blacks and other minorities to practice their own ethnic exceptionalism, while Whites are virtually not allowed to form any of their own mainstream white-advocacy organizations.

"White" is a broad term. If you are ethnically German and proud of it, no one is going to call you a racist. I can be proud of my Irish heritage without anyone thinking anything of it. Italians, Russians, Poles, Spaniards... all of these can certainly be proud of their background. So your claim that whites aren't allowed to form their own advocacy organizations is patently false.


That's absolutely correct! I am very proud of my mostly German background, though I would never demean someone else's ethnic heritage.
There is something called the white pride movement, or white nationalism, which you'll find on racist, lunatic fringe sites like Storm Front. What ever you want to call it, it's just racism and white supremacy repackaged as a supposed means for whites to express their pride. Minority groups express ethnic pride because they have gone through history as second class citizens - whereas the white pride movement wants to return to the days of white supremacy by portraying whites as the victims of multiculturalism and equal rights.
I'm a white male, and trust me, I have NEVER been oppressed because of the color of my skin, or my race - and I seriously doubt anyone else has either.

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A system that turns a predominantly White nation into a so-called multicultural one is anti-White by definition, just as a system that turned China into a multicultural state would be anti-Chinese. This is true regardless of whether you understand or care about it, and regardless of the comfort of your own existence.
Of course, it's often easier to bask in false morality than to face the facts of life.
"Chinese" is a language and culture, formed and developed over one single geographical area over the course of thousands of years. "White" is not a language or culture. chinese and white are not comparable.


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10 Sep 2010, 2:27 pm

When you take into account that previous censuses would often identify groups like Jews, Middle-Eastern, South-Asian, Roma, light-skinned Latinos, and various others as 'White,' actual white people in America may well already be the minority at present.

Even though most white people in America would not properly regard Arabs as 'White,' they could still look at a number like 64.5 percent of the population being white on a factsheet, but not realize that this number was being inflated by all of these groups on the borderline. Also, the fact that so many minorities are living in this country illegally and not being reported............. It would not surprise me if the number of proper European non-Jewish Whites in America was currently around 45% or so.



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10 Sep 2010, 2:37 pm

John_Browning wrote:
Hanotaux wrote:
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There's something fundamentally wrong when people who claim that ACORN caused the financial crisis by strong-arming the banks into lending to black people are treated as people whose views deserve respect and that such views are acceptable to hold and to propagate in polite company.


What is so wrong about holding this view, and stating it in 'polite company,' etc. etc............?

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In America, if any viewpoint is even slightly critical of black organizations, than its "racist."

What did ACORN and the banks expect to happen when lots of money was lent to people that don't have the means to pay it back? Some minority groups had an attitude that they were entitled to a house based on their race. If the banks held their ground and stuck to issuing home loans base on credit and income and stayed away from the sub-prime lending (or even prime lending for that matter) to minorities based on race, the economy might not have crashed so hard. Everyone seems to conveniently forget that Obama and Barney Frank were at the forefront of the sub-prime lending to minorities.



How can ACORN strong-arm the banks? I mean, really! Isn't this like claiming that a mouse strong-armed a gorilla?



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10 Sep 2010, 2:41 pm

Hanotaux wrote:
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There's something fundamentally wrong when people who claim that ACORN caused the financial crisis by strong-arming the banks into lending to black people are treated as people whose views deserve respect and that such views are acceptable to hold and to propagate in polite company.


What is so wrong about holding this view, and stating it in 'polite company,' etc. etc............?

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In America, if any viewpoint is even slightly critical of black organizations, than its "racist."


I'm sorry, but the idea that ACORN can strong-arm the banks is so absurd that no reasonable person can possibly believe it. Funny thing is, is that half of the people who believe this absurd conspiracy theory of the poor bankers strong armed by ACORN turn around and claim that the Fed is all powerful and the banks are in command!



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10 Sep 2010, 3:03 pm

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Every time Glenn Beck opens his yap, a string of refutable nonsense, out and out lies, and bigotry pours out. And yet, his followers take every syllable as Gospel.

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Glenn Beck is a buffoon.

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10 Sep 2010, 5:32 pm

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A system that turns a predominantly White nation into a so-called multicultural one is anti-White by definition, just as a system that turned China into a multicultural state would be anti-Chinese. This is true regardless of whether you understand or care about it, and regardless of the comfort of your own existence.
Of course, it's often easier to bask in false morality than to face the facts of life.
"Chinese" is a language and culture, formed and developed over one single geographical area over the course of thousands of years. "White" is not a language or culture. chinese and white are not comparable.


Uh huh. Right. Sure.
"You can't make an analogy between White people and Chinese people because ... well ... you just can't!"

Whites are a genetic kinship group, and the Chinese are a genetic kinship group. "Chinese" is not a name given to a single language, but to a family of languages (including Mandarin, Wu and Cantonese). The Chinese people themselves can be further divided into groups such as the Han and the Manchu.



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10 Sep 2010, 5:51 pm

Hanotaux wrote:
When you take into account that previous censuses would often identify groups like Jews, Middle-Eastern, South-Asian, Roma, light-skinned Latinos, and various others as 'White,' actual white people in America may well already be the minority at present.

Even though most white people in America would not properly regard Arabs as 'White,' they could still look at a number like 64.5 percent of the population being white on a factsheet, but not realize that this number was being inflated by all of these groups on the borderline. Also, the fact that so many minorities are living in this country illegally and not being reported............. It would not surprise me if the number of proper European non-Jewish Whites in America was currently around 45% or so.


That is a good point about the censuses.
And even if European-derived Whites are not a minority now in the US, it will surely only take two or three decades. As things stand, Britain may well follow a couple of decades later, and France too.

This article (--> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -year.html ) suggests White newborns will be in the minority next year in the US.

Really, there is something a bit Orwellian about the way the word "minority" gets used sometimes. On a global scale, all racial and ethnic groups are minorities, which is why the best way for any racial or ethnic group to control its own destiny is usually to find a space where they are not a "minority".



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10 Sep 2010, 5:59 pm

Because they are god's soldiers. :lol:



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10 Sep 2010, 6:41 pm

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I'm sorry, but the idea that ACORN can strong-arm the banks is so absurd that no reasonable person can possibly believe it.


Really? If black advocates have had no push in recent history, wouldn't we still have segregation, white presidents, etc.?

Affluent and prominent white people and organizations are so terrified of being tarnished with the brush of "racist" that they will do backflips to accommodate black people if the black people threaten to picket and call CNN or something like that.

Continuing to paint blacks as a completely poor and helpless small minority that gets oppressed by "the man" is absurd. I am not deceived as to their real strength, which is largely based on their ability to get what they want by crying "racist," whenever they want something.

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"You can't make an analogy between White people and Chinese people because ... well ... you just can't!"


Of course not.......... White people are just filler-people who are just waiting to be eliminated in favor of 'cool' and 'hip' new-age multiculturals. Whites have no identity of their own. By contrast, the Chinese do have their own culture, which consists of standing about in long lines and darting their eyes about nervously. The 'Chinese' as well consist of something like 58 different ethnicities within China........... Kind of similar to European/American plurality?

Anyway, the # of American whites has been officially padded by labeling non-white groups as 'white,' including Arabs and North Africans.



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10 Sep 2010, 8:40 pm

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Hanotaux wrote:
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There's something fundamentally wrong when people who claim that ACORN caused the financial crisis by strong-arming the banks into lending to black people are treated as people whose views deserve respect and that such views are acceptable to hold and to propagate in polite company.


What is so wrong about holding this view, and stating it in 'polite company,' etc. etc............?

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In America, if any viewpoint is even slightly critical of black organizations, than its "racist."


I'm sorry, but the idea that ACORN can strong-arm the banks is so absurd that no reasonable person can possibly believe it. Funny thing is, is that half of the people who believe this absurd conspiracy theory of the poor bankers strong armed by ACORN turn around and claim that the Fed is all powerful and the banks are in command!

It wasn't just ACORN. It was lots of grassroots organizations in all major cities Using the press' political correctness to generate publicity for their cause, and their efforts were backed by liberal lawmakers led by Obama and Barney Frank.


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10 Sep 2010, 11:08 pm

This idea that banks were strong-armed is absurd. Besides, the Community Reinvestment Act, which was promulgated by the way in response to redlining and "planned shrinkage" of the 1970s, has not been associated with bad mortgages at all. CRA-linked mortgages were not the ones that caused the problem.

The real problem is the free market and deregulation. They invented these Mortgage Backed Securities to make lots of money for people with money. They were marketed and they became popular. As demand for MBS increased, so they needed raw material and they needed more mortgages. As there was a bubble the idea of using homes as ATMs was pushed and this also helped in providing raw material for MBS. It's the fault of capitalism, it's the fault of deregulation, it's the fault of the market, but these people won't admit their god has failed and have invented some ridiculous conspiracy theory to explain it.

As for the Ownership Society, Bush pushed that as it was based on Thatcher who allowed people to buy their council homes at a steep discount to make these people into good Tories. Bush seemed to think that the Ownership Society would create Republicans. Unfortunately there was not all these state-owned homes that can be used to bribe people as it happened in the UK, mortgages were required in this case.



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10 Sep 2010, 11:45 pm

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This idea that banks were strong-armed is absurd. Besides, the Community Reinvestment Act, which was promulgated by the way in response to redlining and "planned shrinkage" of the 1970s, has not been associated with bad mortgages at all. CRA-linked mortgages were not the ones that caused the problem.

The real problem is the free market and deregulation. They invented these Mortgage Backed Securities to make lots of money for people with money. They were marketed and they became popular. As demand for MBS increased, so they needed raw material and they needed more mortgages. As there was a bubble the idea of using homes as ATMs was pushed and this also helped in providing raw material for MBS. It's the fault of capitalism, it's the fault of deregulation, it's the fault of the market, but these people won't admit their god has failed and have invented some ridiculous conspiracy theory to explain it.

As for the Ownership Society, Bush pushed that as it was based on Thatcher who allowed people to buy their council homes at a steep discount to make these people into good Tories. Bush seemed to think that the Ownership Society would create Republicans. Unfortunately there was not all these state-owned homes that can be used to bribe people as it happened in the UK, mortgages were required in this case.

You make it sound like the minority activist groups are innocent of any of this when there were stories of their involvement in the evening news on a regular basis.


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You make it sound like the minority activist groups are innocent of any of this when there were stories of their involvement in the evening news on a regular basis.


If by evening news, you mean Fox "news" then you should seriously consider finding some actual news sources from which to get your info. The problem with the Housing crisis is, as other posters have indicated, a problem with deregulation, beginning with the Savings and Loan issues that failed during the Regan and Bush I administrations. Banks were allowed to make risky loans (subprime, no money down, adjustable rate mortgages) to people who couldn't afford them (people off all races and SES) and they sold those bad/risky loans to other banks to make quick profits. Bad long-term strategy under the fallacy that home prices would always rise. When those loans started to go bad (slowly thanks to recessions caused, in part, by investors being nervous after September 11th and the weakness of our dollar thanks to the Bush II tax cuts and massive amount of deficit spending) then a few people were foreclosed upon, prices fell and everything snowballed.Bankers pushing the loans, lying to people about the terms and encouraging people to take on more loan than they could handle...want to guess if those bankers were minorities? And many of the people taking on giant loans to pay for their McMansions and second homes. Think many of them were minorities?


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11 Sep 2010, 12:58 am

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You make it sound like the minority activist groups are innocent of any of this when there were stories of their involvement in the evening news on a regular basis.


If by evening news, you mean Fox "news" then you should seriously consider finding some actual news sources from which to get your info.

I usually don't watch cable news channels.


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