Will we be weird in the afterlife?

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no body CAN tell me otherwise.

nobody ever came back.

I believe in pam reynolds' story.

... I'd like to think we would be .
In a NICE way !
I've just read the first few here , more later...

"belief" is in the domain of the innocent.
i must be so jaded.
i don't believe anything i can not personally work out.

but, having said that, who is pam reynolds?

i will look her up on youtube, but i am aware that people who's brains are starved of oxygen can experience a state of euphoria, and they always take the same track.
a "tunnel with a bright light at the end", and then some people there who either tell you you can go back and continue or if it is certain that you can not go back, then who knows?

The existence of an afterlife is a bold claim. By definition, no living being can perceive of the afterlife. That is, no living person can see, smell, taste, hear or touch the afterlife - because living people are alive not dead. To say an afterlife exists is at best a guess. If you can't personally experience the afterlife, or converse with someone who has experienced the afterlife (they are by definition dead) it seems unreasonable to assume an afterlife exists at all. The existence of the belief in an afterlife is likely the result of our inate fear of dying. We fear the unknown, and death is the ultimate unknown. Also, in order for an afterlife to exist, you, or some part of you would be required to survive the death of your body. Common and well documented are instances of a persons personality dramatically transforming when suffering significant brain injury. The assumption that you can retain your personality in some form upon your brains annihilation seems improbable.

Even when the Son of the most-high God is the one speaking of it? To wit: “Then [one of the others being crucified] said, 'YeShua, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!' And YeShua said to him, 'Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.'” --Luke 23:42-43

I do realize you might categorically dismiss all Scripture, but my own thoughts about the reality of an afterlife did not come from anything even close to my own imagination.


Agreed, and so now we have this with nothing physical being required: "...to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." --II Corinthians 5:8

My own perceptions about any or all of that might be completely skewed, but my mere perceptions are irrelevant and certainly not required in order to ultimately discover "the afterlife" truly is real.

the thought of no heaven is intolerable to me.

Yes, and maybe kind of like why even bother trying to live properly now if there is no chance of ever hearing something like "Well done, thou good and faithful servant!"

I am not really sure why I try to do the right thing while alive, it is not like I fear old testament-esque fire and brimstone, but it is just an inner moral taskmaster that makes me toe the line, or just wanting to avoid trouble. but if there was incontrovertible proof of no heaven, then I would be strongly tempted to take a long walk off a short pier and get this $#!+ done and over with already.

it's probably some sense that you'll still be stuck with the consequences of your actions because the idea that it's all a clean slate in non-existence doesn't seem to square with anything that any of us have experienced in waking life.

I don't believe in an afterlife, but if it does exists, comparatively, it will be weird thus we'll be normal.

'When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.' Hunter S. Thompson.

If there is an afterlife, then I can only hope I will still be me. If that means weird, then yes I'd like to remain weird.

I tend to have the opposite reaction these days to some extent.

I was driving to work today, thinking of all the terrible situations humanity has been in, our current disregard for truth (AFAIK - if we're lucky - truth might come in fifth on our priority lists as a species). It seems like estrogen somehow puts women more toward the center of the bell-curve, men is where 'God plays dice' and you have the brightest, the dumbest, the most creative, the least creative, etc.. of our species.

I had to ask myself - does it seem like there's any evidence, whatsoever, for a reincarnational 'Great Work' or evolution of species along lines of spiritual achievement? It struck me that these deviations in gender performance are chemical, genetic, and constant. If this were any sort of young souls. old souls you should really see both men and women in a pyramidal arrangement or at least something close to resembling a school room of spiritual IQ. What we have is something much more arbitrary, much more naturalistic, and it looks much more clement to the beliefs of someone who'd look at the world and sentient life as something that just happened, that justice and injustice alike are just accidents, and where your life outcomes have, above a really easy-to-clear line of stupidity, almost nothing to do with who you are as a person and everything to do with the genetics you were given.

To that end I'm actually flabbergasted that kundalini events are a real thing. I'm flabbergasted as to where a world of spiritual beings fits in. The only conclusion I can come to is that they're just as naturalistic and denuded of so-called divine purpose as we are. For what bit I've gained in the way of more valid development paths than just money and children and the different means to get there (ie. tack in sentient/'spiritual' evolution as something that has subjective value) - I'm still really trying to throw out any last vestiges of Abrahamism in me, aside from perhaps appreciating the philosophic Neoplatonism in it, but for the life of me - this planet is a bunch of apes cornholing each other. It absolutely astounds me that there should be anything at all aside from half an eternal non-existence before birth and half an eternal non-existence after death. From what we are and how much of an utter waste humanity, and really organic life in general is, the idea of eternal existence or reincarnation still floors me. I guess it means that if a person dies shagging an ant hill, living for the glory of tribe or grandiloquence or whatever else, they can come right back and maybe even make the same mistakes more effectively!

Also while I'd love to think there's peace for those who try to do better - I'm not necessarily sold that there's any reason it should be that way. I suppose I can't not look at a world where wasps lay larvae inside of caterpillars for the Aliens experience or where over a hundred million are killed in the most graphic manner in a century with next to nothing learned, and think that it doesn't tell us at least something about absolute reality and its likely utter incapacity for any conscious sense of justice, decrease or suffering, or whatever else.

Also yes - sorry, I had a few drinks. That went WAY longer than five sentences and yes, because of that I know I wrote that purely for my own reading pleasure.

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