Why do movement ultraconservatives feel entitled to respect?

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12 Sep 2010, 3:34 am

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Because unless you are a banker, finance person, or work for ACORN, you had to get that information from somewhere. And since mainstream, legitimate news sources didn't denigrate ACORN the way that Fox "news" did, it's a logical conclusion.

Quite frankly I'm not even sure what Fox News or most other right-wing blogs said. O just know that ABC, CBS, NBC and the like were hailing decisions by banks to agree to minority groups' pressure to lend to minorities that couldn't afford a house normally (in other words, didn't have the credit or income requirements to make a payment).

Gee, I can't imagine banks and the media being politically correct and not saying anything bad about the minority groups for fear of being labeled racist. [/sarcasm]


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12 Sep 2010, 3:39 am

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Since I did a semesters worth of analysis of the major sources of news for a research paper, I am able to make some inferences here on who was saying what at the time.

Nice that you are unable to address my analysis of what really caused the housing crisis so instead you insult my critical thinking skills.

Congratulations, I should in that case give you props on how well-versed you are in the information (read: propaganda) that a handful of political activists wanted you to hear. :wink:


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14 Sep 2010, 1:50 pm

Again, how can a group brought down by Andrew "Hear our prayer Obama" Breitbart possibly have the power to bend the banks, who were given trillions of dollars no strings attached, to its will? Does...not...compute....

It does not surprise me at all that the media promotes gangster culture of all kinds, including black gangster culture, that they want to emphasise the gangster culture in the black community - gangsters are a souped up capitalist response to the capitalist reality. This culture inculcates the values that are desired by the rulers.



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15 Sep 2010, 3:33 am

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Again, how can a group brought down by Andrew "Hear our prayer Obama" Breitbart possibly have the power to bend the banks, who were given trillions of dollars no strings attached, to its will? Does...not...compute....

Political correctness- which has a very powerful influence in our society and doesn't compute but people do it and respond to it anyway.


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17 Oct 2010, 4:02 am

John_Browning wrote:
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There's something fundamentally wrong when people who claim that ACORN caused the financial crisis by strong-arming the banks into lending to black people are treated as people whose views deserve respect and that such views are acceptable to hold and to propagate in polite company.


What is so wrong about holding this view, and stating it in 'polite company,' etc. etc............?

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In America, if any viewpoint is even slightly critical of black organizations, than its "racist."

What did ACORN and the banks expect to happen when lots of money was lent to people that don't have the means to pay it back? Some minority groups had an attitude that they were entitled to a house based on their race. If the banks held their ground and stuck to issuing home loans base on credit and income and stayed away from the sub-prime lending (or even prime lending for that matter) to minorities based on race, the economy might not have crashed so hard. Everyone seems to conveniently forget that Obama and Barney Frank were at the forefront of the sub-prime lending to minorities.


That's BS.

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It stretches the facts, however, to say that ACORN "forced" banks to make risky loans, though it has certainly applied pressure on banks to make loans to minority and low-income borrowers. ACORN also has worked directly with banks in a joint effort to increase such lending. In Chicago these efforts date back at least to 1992, after a report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston showed that minorities in that city were two to three times as likely to be denied mortgage loans as white applicants, and that high-income minorities were more likely to be turned down than low-income whites. Chicago ACORN then started a mortgage assistance program, in cooperation with five local banks, to help minority and low-income borrowers get mortgage loans.

The mortgages that ACORN worked out with the banks did have lower underwriting standards than were customary. They allowed a higher percentage of a family's income to go to debt repayment, and counted rent and utility payments, not just credit card payments, as evidence of ability to pay back a loan. The loans were also more forgiving of past credit problems, as long as the recipient was making a proven effort to address them. But ACORN provided loan deals only to people who went through counseling on budget and credit issues. In 1992, First Nationwide Bank Vice President Neal Halleran told the Chicago Tribune: "Transaction by transaction, [loans from the ACORN program] would appear to be performing no worse than our portfolio overall." According to the Tribune, First Nationwide had contacted ACORN to initiate the lending program.


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17 Oct 2010, 4:05 am

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So you endorse the policy of pretending America is a post-racial society while racial divisions tear apart America? "Colourblindness" is either misguided good intentions or a positively pernicious attempt to avoid reforming America's numerous racial problems.

I firmly believe that it takes culture a very long time to change, since the 1960's is still only four decades ago it will still take a few more generations for the past to shake itself out but generally speaking there's no way to rush it and no way to have the government utterly change human behavior and memory. There will likely be a time where in rural areas color does not matter, there will be a time in urban areas where the African American community as well as Asian and Latino will be assimilated well enough to where its difficult to tell the difference based on achievement, marriage and family statistics, conviction rate, etc.. Until then then the best we can do is treat each other with dignity and as equals as well as doing all that we can to convince society that we're past it. Anything else just creates more resentments and will make this process take that much longer. Will it ever 100% disappear? That's impossible on any grounds and on any topic under the sun in regard to society, and that's the reason why that 2 or 3% we may have remaining should be left talking to the wind rather than having their broken thoughts amplified by the media to make it sound like they stand for a sizeable group.


The problem is that legislating forma legal equality and yet ensuring that visible ethnic minorities remain in the underclass for decades is a poor policy. I don't think the mere anti-discrimination legislation will change things that much and when one remains in poverty for quite a while it's very hard to get out. Affrimative action may not be the best method, but certainly various policies that help the working poor are needed to advance racial equality.


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17 Oct 2010, 4:50 am

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certainly various policies that help the working poor are needed to advance racial equality.


The Working Poor™ are not merely members of minorities. Plenty of The Evil Majority™ are also both physically working for a living, paycheck by paycheck, and impoverished. To imagine it is only minorities having difficulty is to be blind to the actual situations. With high rates of unemployment and all bit about the economy being bad, Affirmative Action© does play a role in the hiring of any minorities who provide taxation benefits. The "oppressed"™ and "disadvantaged"™ minorities are far from actually being oppressed today and they are certainly not disadvantaged any longer - contrarily they have been given an employment advantage which allows for them to gain as much employment as possible and for The Evil Majority™ they are thus disadvantaged in employment obtainment. Following prolong unemployment due to employers seeking to do Good-Business™ in hiring primarily those that convey tax benefits and rejecting The Evil Majority™, do you think that this will help to reduce or encourage racism against The Oppressed Minorities™ to develop again?