Do people unironically want jobs?

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I just kinda view the whole job thing as bizzarre. I remember in the 60's and 70's there was a spiritual anti-work movement, where the leading minds of culture painted an educational picture of trying to escape wage-slavery. But in the 2000s and 2010s, that seems to have somewhat dissipated and is replaced by this neoliberal workaholic attitude, where even commoners seem to drone on about how vital work is.

Is it just about the money, or do people unironically want to work? I do not understand why someone could honestly defend working at a mcjobs for 8 hours every day. In my eyes Squidward is the real hero of the show and it feels like I'm in some alternate reality where Humans have become some sort of Bee-genetic-hybrid creature who want to keep working as wage slavies.

Is this the average persons opinion or just a bunch of They Live shills or something trying to make it appear as its the commoners opinion?

I can understand if its about the money, but nowadays people are making it seem like humans need to work at mcjobs or something, as if mcjobs are a spiritual requirement for a healthy life.

Because if I go on stage and say "I figured out how to make crops 500% more efficient, in fact everyone can now easily grow food" I'd get boo'ed off the stage because now there would be less jobs. It feels like some people want to on purpose have a technologic regression back to the stone age just so people have more jobs. "Lets make the means of production less efficient and more laborious, in fact lets de-evolve as a species" said no one ever, yet that's the attitude people seem to have these days.

If we had a UBI system we could have more robots doing work and less crime. But I get that people are afraid of Biden or Trudeau making people "eat ze bugs" in order to get UBI, but I don't think that's going to happen. I think the courts are strong enough such that legislation to "eat ze bugs" in order to get UBI would never actually happen. Some other concerns are that UBI will mean the government can force people to do whatever they want, such that felons won't be able to get UBI. But I think felons not having UBI would only increase crime. Imo people who want to increase crime in order for their to be more jobs in law enforcement have no business being in law enforcement. I think the ideology of just "increasing jobs" is a dangerous slope.

They are some good jobs and some s**t jobs.

I've worked in an assembly line job for a few weeks. It wasn't the suicide fuel that I thought it would be. It wasn't great either.

I had a programming job which was great.

I volunteered at a cafe which was pleasant also.

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Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal -- "An Honest Job Interview", 2014/08/17 . . .

I don't think anyone truly wants to work. Or very few. I think it's just more than not working is strongly looked down on because we apparently have to work or else. Also because it's the only way to earn adequate money in this current system.

I do in some ways enjoy my job, but if I had the option to leave and not work and still provide for myself, I'd take it.

Performing services in exchange for currency lol

I think that some of us actually want to work as in the right eviroment we enjoy it. (I am not working and until I settle and can feel totally recovered and sress free (As had to stop working in 2019 due to burnout/breakdown etc after mentally hitting past traumatic events I had a few years earlier etc) but sometimes in the right enviroment where I could subdue anxiety levels, I enjoyed some parts of working. Other parts there wefe momwnts where I was internally terrified though externally I did not show it (Somehow I am said to noy display outwardly how I feel inwardly during these moments?) But what I am saying is that I always worked involving one or the other of my special interests as I could not somehow think outside of this. And if one works within ones specialized area, one can enjoy the challenge.However only one job I have ever done in my whole life has been self supporting (As in I could live from the wage I had without parental support... What I mean by this is that there isno way I had the funds to bymy own food and pay rent or a mortgage from my wages apart from that one job I was doing as to be honest, the other jobs would give me wages where I struggled to pay the cost of transport to go to work and back. (Once had to hand in my notice as I couldnot afford to keep my bicycle on the road and I am serious as the wear and tear on the bike had crept up was more than my wages would allow. Other times I could earn just enough for car insurance and tax and MOT to stay in the job out of my wages, but my Mum paid for the fuel so I could drive her around as well as my wages were not enough for the fuel as well).

But the job itself without the stress (I was often vunerable for being taken advantage of and often had to work "Free" hours a week which were hours without pay so that one would keep ones job which was tiring and why I kept hitting burnout (Or mental breakdown?))

But the subject of the job itself I loved so I can not say everyone hates working.

I think people want to do something productive and/or meaningful. Whether that's a job for money or not. We like to have meaning in our lives and at the moment, the world is focusing on money as the most important thing. So people think that having a job will bring meaning to their lives.

I like to dispense services in return for commensurate reward. Then I like to maintain my existence and engage in frivolity with said recompense.

Sadly it is difficult to find enjoyable services to perform.

Do people ironically want jobs?

Either someone has implanted a memory in your mind, you have a time machine you are keeping secret, you read about the movement or your age is wrong

Or I'm being too literal again

Ironing?

I think it's a mixture. With exceptions, the middle class in particular may genuinely want good careers, while the working class have traditionally seen the world of work as a necessary evil. Not really surprising, as middle-class jobs are often relatively cushy.

Whatever the prevailing view about the downside of working for an employer, it's often seen as an ethic to get a job, probably because it's pretty much the only known way of surviving economically and being able to "pull your weight" instead of having to rely on handouts from the public purse, charities, friends or family. So "I don't want a job" rarely goes down well. I suppose a lot of people internalise that job ethic and feel guilty and inferior if they're unemployed.

Me, I have views both ways but mostly in favour of those who don't want jobs. I've no big problem with them, and I take a dim view of the idea that we "should" want to work for an employer. It seems a tad undignified to want to be a wage slave. I never wanted a job myself and if I'd been able to get good, sustainable benefits off the state for life, I might have gone that way. And I think if things were set up so that people could survive without having to work for an employer, it might drive up pay and conditions. While people are scared of losing their jobs, employers can treat their workforce worse and get away with it. There aren't enough good jobs to go round, and I hear a lot about employers taking huge liberties with employees, such as dictating working hours, demanding unpaid overtime, imposing new, worse conditions, giving below-inflation pay rises, dismissing people too freely, and one way or another damaging people's health. In a free market it's unlikely that any worker will get the full value of the labour they put in, which is a kind of robbery. They won't employ you if there's nothing in it for them. And even in a not-for-profit organisation I think the people running it are often rather jumped up, on some kind of guru trip where they get their sense of worth by being in charge of others, and I think they hide their incompetence a lot.

I've got some sympathy with the view that people shouldn't just sponge off any convenient benefactor, that they should try to do something useful with their lives. Just that it's hard on anybody who didn't have the upbringing required for them to be able to access the better jobs. I can't expect them to play fair and "contribute to society" when society itself is as unfair as it is.

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