Is this a "weird" obsession, even for an aspie?
...Oh my gosh, one of my minor special interests is something very similar!
I have always been interested in different store chains (especially Canadian ones, as I'm from Canada), ever since I was a kid...especially defunct stores/restaurants or ones that used to be at a certain location and aren't anymore. I can go down the main strip of a small city I used to live in and vividly describe the differences between now and when I was around 3. I'm also obsessed with anything nostalgic: particularly how houses/stores/logos/packaging/commercials etc. looked like back in the day.
So, perhaps these types of interests are likely not unusual at all for an Aspie. Perhaps the main difference between us, though, is that I won't really talk about this interests with anyone because I know people will get bored of it...aside from brief mentions of things I find to my mom as she knows where I'm coming from.
I did, however, monologue about different logos and ads as a little kid, and drove my parents nuts. Baha.
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1. 15 years ago, Wawa (a Philadelphia convenience store chain) started selling their own gas. A few years later, they started a campaign to replace all their older locations (mostly from the 60's) with gas ones. I still think of a lot of their late 90's stores as "new", but many are now showing their age! The newer one in Lancaster didn't last long and is now an independent gas station/c-store. I wonder what happened because I've never heard of Wawa closing a newer store. But a lot of the very small, low-volume old ones have been sold to other companies. For example, the one in Drexel Hill PA (which still has two older Wawas very close together) became a "Welsh Farms" in 2002. I can't believe it's been 10 years now. Ironically, the also very old and small Wawa in Wallingford PA got the chain's new logo in 2004, but became a "Pantry 1" in 2007.
2. Even though Chevron bought the Texaco name and Texaco refineries, Shell bought most Texaco stations (and renamed them) in the past decade. Ironically, most current Texaco stations were converted to that name from brands such as Mobil, which had to sell many stations when Exxon bought it. And coincidentally (or maybe not, maybe the two had the same design firm) a lot of Texaco station signs by the road were easily converted to the Shell look, because their shape was identical to existing Shell signs!
3. The Eckerd drugstore chain bought Thrift Drug, a Philadelphia chain, along with its "small town" division Fay's, in 1997. All the Thrift Drug and Fay's stores were converted to the Eckerd name and remodeled (a VERY expensive move), but Eckerd still decided to build drive-thru stores to replace many of these no later than 2000. I think this was the primary reason for Eckerd's own downfall (half the company sold out to Rite Aid, and the rest CVS). Dozens of the older locations, many of which never found a place to move to, ended up closing in disgrace in the 2000s. It's a shame because Thrift Drug had built a huge batch of stores in 1996, most of which crashed and burned (sales wise), prompting the sale to Eckerd, and even after adopting the famous chain's business model couldn't compete.
4. Acme, the Philadelphia grocery chain, built some really nice stores with a pointy roof and stained glass windows in the 60's, but most of them had to be expanded (also remodeled on the outside, hiding the pointy roof) in the late 70's to keep up with competitors which were also growing rapidly.
5. Genuardi's, the Philadelphia grocery chain which just sold out to arch-rival GIANT, was still using their 1950s logo (the chain was still very small during that time) in the chain's "glory days" of the late 80's and early 90's. But in 1995, a new logo was introduced, and all traces of the old one quickly disappeared.
6. Albertsons built two stores on Spring-Cypress Road in Spring Texas in 1991. The two were identical inside, but looked very different on the outside. One was much fancier than the other. It had a "copper castle" look and is still open today as a Kroger. But the other one had to close for good in 2002 and has been empty 10 years now. Kroger would have bought this one but it was too close to an existing Kroger which was more modern.
7. The very last new Safeway in Houston was built in 1984, but Safeway sold its Texas stores to a chain called AppleTree in 1988. This chain failed in 1993, and this particular location was later a Randalls, but closed in 1998 when Randalls and its Dallas division Tom Thumb were bought by, ironically, Safeway! Then this location was an H-E-B Pantry Foods, but closed when H-E-B shut down their Pantry Foods division in 2002. Finally, after four different grocery chains used it, this building is now a Stein Mart clothing store. Three Safeway/AppleTree stores in small towns near Houston also became H-E-B Pantry Foods, but without the Randalls detour in between, and have since been demolished for much larger H-E-B stores. After a delay of a few years, H-E-B has built a new store in a brand new plaza across from the Safeway one.
8. Wal-Mart built a store in The Woodlands (a small town near Houston TX) in 1984, but moved across the street to a new store in 1990. The old one became a "Bud's Discount City" (a Wal-Mart clearance outlet) but this Bud's closed in 1994, before the rest of the chain. Ironically the store was later a Ben Franklin Crafts, which closed in 1997, the same year as the remaining Bud's stores folded. There was also a Kmart practically next door to this original Wal-Mart, and only a narrow street separated the two. The Kmart was remodeled in 1990 in response to Wal-Mart upgrading, but closed in 1994 at the same time as the nearby Bud's. Hobby Lobby (a chain which could be blamed for the demise of Ben Franklin Crafts) is in the former Kmart today. The 1990 Wal-Mart here was unique because it had the plain hyphen logo on the front, and never got the more famous logo with a star in the middle (not the newest "Walmart" with a star logo). Other than this, it matched almost all other 90's Wal-Mart stores. But in 2007 the store moved again, to a Supercenter, and was ironically one of the company's last new stores to have the 1992 star logo and "Supercenter" in the name.
9. Dixie Square Mall, one of the first enclosed malls in the USA, opened in Harvey, Illinois (near Chicago) in 1966. One of the first JCPenney stores in a mall (when the chain was still called "Penneys") was its main anchor. All the stores in the mall closed in stages between 1974 and 1979 due to a huge spike in area crime. Many towns in America never even had a mall until the mid-late 70's if not 80's or early 90's. The whole mall was abandoned for over 30 years until its recent demolition.
10. Wal-Mart and many grocery chains (along with Michaels Arts & Crafts) stopped using foam ceilings in their new stores starting around 1995. They started using "warehouse" ceilings similar to the ceilings at stores such as Home Depot and Lowe's. I find it amazing how the Genuardi's in Lansdale PA, which had the older design, sits empty (probably with those old "tube" lights still running) but the identical (inside) Genuardi's in Glen Mills PA was torn down for a Whole Foods, which has a warehouse ceiling. Most Genuardi's built after Safeway bought the chain had warehouse ceilings though.
Dixie Square Mall was selected for a location shortly after its closing for the chase scene early in the 1979 Blues Brothers movie
In my hometown of Riverside CA the larger shopping center was Riverside Plaza; originally a single level row of stores, save for the Montgomery Ward and Sears anchors which had 3 floors, with the Ward's featuring a respectably sized coffee shop.
Ironically the Plaza was semi-enclosed, the shops accessed by an open courtyard in the fashion of today's Mills Corporation properties. In the mid-1980s it was converted into a fully enclosed mall while the Ward's ditched the coffee shop and a large buffet chain installed themselves directly across the street from a long-established Sir George's buffet.
After the success of Ontario Mills and the transformation of The City Shopping Center in Orange CA from a fully enclosed mall to The Block (now known as The Outlets) At Orange in the late 1990s, the Riverside Plaza underwent a 2 year closure for demolition and rebuilding in a likeness of its original footprint. Sadly, to me the Chipotle Grill that occupies a tenancy there does not represent or elicit the original character of the shopping center
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Also, store chains that stick with a common logo, but are inconsistent with the exact naming of different store locations (and colors of their signs), really catch my attention. For example, I live near one of the only Barnes & Noble stores that had "bookstore" instead of the nicer-sounding "booksellers" on its sign until recently, when it got a new logo. This also happens to be one of the (if not THE) only Barnes & Noble stores still open which doesn't have a Starbucks inside. But there happens to be a regular Starbucks in the shopping center anyway (the center is huge though, and you have to walk a long way).
Also, Jo-Ann Fabrics is inconsistent about putting "and crafts" on their signs. The Wine & Spirits stores in PA that I mentioned drive me crazy with this issue. Some of them have "shoppe" on the signs, some don't. Some say "wines" instead of "wine", but "spirits" is always in clearly plural form. And the older locations have the name of the store printed on a framed sign, but newer ones have individual letters mounted directly to the facade. Years ago, the name was "State Store" instead of "Wine & Spirits", and the company is experimenting with some new stores called "Fine Wine & Good Spirits". Their website (along with the bags at all the stores) only uses the new name now. But the chain only has two store formats, regular and premium collection. All premium collection stores have a room (at some locations it's tiny, at others it's huge) with more expensive wines under temperature control. These rooms are similar to the humidor rooms found at cigar stores, and walk-in coolers at beer stores (also used to segregate the beer from non-alcoholic products in supermarkets, in states where grocery stores can sell alcohol). All three of these companies have been relocating their older stores in the past decade. It's a shame how the Wine & Spirits stores in the suburbs compared to the ones in poorer parts of Philly and poor small towns are like night and day. Heck, I live in Delaware County PA and for some reason it's impossible to find a Wine & Spirits that's actually convenient to a grocery store here, but in richer suburban counties, they take that for granted.
Also, I have a deep interest in the history of car design since 1964 or so. But I'm only an expert on American and some Japanese cars made since the 80's. It amazes me how much a lot of popular car companies, especially GM, used "badge engineering" in the 90's. For example, most GMC vehicles had a Chevy (or sometimes Oldsmobile, Cadillac, or Isuzu) twin for a long time. Geo was an interesting "brand within a brand" because it was marketed as a brand within Chevrolet. And every Geo model (three of their models were later sold as Chevrolet itself) had a Japanese twin, made by either Suzuki or Toyota. Most of the later Plymouth vehicles had a Dodge or Chrysler-branded twin. A good example of this would be the Chrysler Corporation minivan trio (Dodge Caravan, Plymouth Voyager, Chrysler Town & Country).
Ford didn't use this practice as much, but the Mercury Grand Marquis was a luxury copy of the Ford Crown Victoria, which was popular as a police car. In my area, I'm lucky to occasionally see a Crown Victoria "ambulance" (really just a paramedic vehicle) which could be mistaken for a police car. And if you see a Crown Victoria taxicab in Philadelphia (but not NYC), it most likely was a police car first. I've followed a lot of taxicabs with a "police interceptor" stamp on the back instead of the Crown Victoria name, and you can be sure taxicabs with this label weren't always used for their current purpose.
Ford (Lincoln-Mercury) and Nissan had an unusual partnership as well, selling the same van as the Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest, even though all of them were built at the same Nissan plant in Japan. Isuzu, a company partly owned by GM, borrowed Honda's first generation Odyssey van design and sold it as the Oasis. Right before I was born, Isuzu stopped making small cars. There was only one time I ever saw an Isuzu on the street which wasn't a truck or SUV or Oasis. I had to do a double take when I saw the Isuzu logo on the back of a small car called the Stylus. That was really cool. Toyota and Nissan never really were fans of badge engineering with the exception of their GM and Ford partnerships, but have used the same SUV design for both their regular and luxury divisions (Lexus and Infiniti respectively). But this is the edge many Japanese automakers have over Detroit: Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Suzuki all make other products than cars. Toyota has forklifts, Honda has motorcycles and power equipment (such as lawnmowers), Nissan has forklifts and marine boats, Mitsubishi has forklifts, electronics, and even processed foods such as tuna, and Suzuki has motorcycles. Oldsmobile, Toyota, and all the Chrysler divisions got new logos in the early 90's, but all kept the same "script" parts of their logos that they used in the 80's. I think that's pretty neat but probably not what any of those companies really wanted to do. Changing the script would mean changing even more dealership signs than they otherwise would. Dealership owners are small business franchisees, and many have trouble keeping up with the cost of corporate sign changes.
Also, the branding of food and drug products has really captured my interest. For example, what was once called Tobler Chocolate Orange is now Terry's Chocolate Orange, the only difference being the name, but Tobler still has their logo on the Toblerone chocolate bars. What was once Libby's Juicy Juice is now Nestle Juicy Juice, but the Libby's name is still used for canned pumpkin and sausage.
Also, I love the idea of chain stores inside other chain stores. For example Starbucks at Barnes & Noble, Target, Macy's, and countless grocery chains, McDonald's Subway and Dunkin Donuts at Wal-Mart and gas stations, etc. From the 60's until recent years, Dairy Queen also had a "Brazier Foods" brand which created the illusion of two restaurants in one, but it was really all marketing hype. Here's another odd coincidence: the True Value Hardware store in Drexel Hill PA, part of Upper Darby Township (near Philadelphia) became an Ace Hardware right around the same time as the existing Ace in Upper Darby itself became a Do it Best... the irony!
To the OP...doesn't sound weird to me at all.
I used to be obsessed with supermarkets--in fact, I still need to satisfy this special interest from time to time. I'll spend hours perusing forums and examining photos of store interiors--current and past--posted to Flickr, or reading about dead malls and retail history. Last week, I went to the Marina District Safeway store in San Francisco solely because it was the first of its kind (all-glass facade with an arched roofline). This particular design, though iconic, is slowly disappearing as Safeway is replacing them with larger stores.
Here's a photo of the store in question...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ezeiza/5791686665/
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@ rastalking: With regards to Geo, you forgot Isuzu. The Storm was a second generation Impulse underneath and the Spectrum was an Isuzu I-Mark.
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Here's another fun fact: the same ice cream known as "Dreyer's" (not to be confused with Breyers) in Texas is known as "Edy's" in Pennsylvania. The only difference is the name, not even the logo. I don't get why they go to the trouble to make this distinction. And they used to have a line of sorbet called "Whole Fruit" that had either the Dreyer's or Edy's name on top of that, but for some reason they had to sell this division to another company. Now it's still sold as "Whole Fruit" but with no prefixes. But Dreyer's/Edy's still makes "fruit bars" that once had "Whole Fruit" in their name, still using the "Whole Fruit" logo style but it says "Fruit Bars" instead now. Reminds me of how "Cost Plus World Market" stores in Texas are simply known as "World Market" in Virginia.
Also, gymnastics equipment company AAI broke off from bowling company AMF (they make bowling equipment AND own a chain of alleys). Until relatively recently, AAI used a logo which was based on the old AMF one. Late 80's AAI mats were pretty much identical to early 80's AMF mats. Not sure why but AMF went bankrupt in 1985 and was broken up. The AMF "American" line of equipment continued on unchanged except for the fact that the letters changed to AAI. After AAI broke off, they continued to use the old AMF gymnastics division offices in Jefferson, Iowa. The AAI website even has an old picture of a competition with a pommel horse labeled AMF. Hogan golf balls were once an AMF product too and were labeled accordingly.
AMF also makes pool tables, and I think this still is a very profitable division because many (but not all) AMF bowling alleys have a bar with pool tables inside.
Also, here's something pretty cool about Pennsylvania: "non-alcoholic" wines are sold in grocery stores, even though grocery stores are forbidden from selling "real" wine (or beer or any other alcohol). Yet the 21 drinking age law still applies to non-alcoholic beer and wine, because they aren't really non-alcoholic, just very light. The state wine/spirits stores though are themselves forbidden to sell non-alcoholic wine because that would create unfair competition for the grocery chains. Beer stores can't sell wine, but both non-alcoholic beer and wine are seen together in supermarket soda aisles. Non-alcoholic spirits don't exist though. A few grocery stores have Wine & Spirits branches in them, but these combinations are rare. I don't get why the Acme in Newtown Square PA has one because the older Wine & Spirits across the parking lot is still open... maybe they planned to move but were blocked by the landlord or something. Also in Newtown Square, there was a Wine & Spirits which had to move to another space to make room for a Staples store. Most of the Staples took up a former Happy Harry's drugstore (Walgreens bought the chain but not this location), and Wine & Spirits was lucky to relocate into an EB Games which had closed (that company had just been bought by GameStop, and they chose to close this location).
I remember Thrift Drug - they were all over Pittsburgh. They used to all be in strip plazas before Eckerd built those standalone stores, some of which they later closed because there were "too many".
How about Group B rallycars from the 80's? I've been obsessed with them for about 4 years now. I'm talking about the Audi Quattro S1, Lancia Delta S4, Ford RS200, etc. These went 0-60 in 3 seconds on or off-road, using 4-5cyl turbo'd motors with spaceframe chassis and composite body panels. They were banned for being "too fast to race" and are still faster than most cars today, save for ones that are $500k plus and can't go off-road. They are only found today at shows, hillclimb events etc. I could imagine one of these driving around here scaring the crap out of muscle car and rice burner enthusiasts, and just about everyone else!
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I can't help you much, but I think you'd find interesting a site I found a while back documenting now defunct-malls called LabelScar.
You've probably already heard of it though.
I relabeled my Monopoly game board to suit a new (as of less than a year ago) side to this hobby. A lot of chain store locations in my area are obsolete and not "up to code" with most stores in their chains. I have been making imaginary lists of places these businesses can move so that they can upgrade. Sometimes stores that are open would have to find a new location to accommodate another's moving plans, but I was careful to find a good place for all of them to resettle. There already are lots of "convenient" vacancies though, and some companies that are struggling financially (such as Sears and Kmart) are willing to close a store or two even if its sales and profits are good if they can make money by selling the property to another business.
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Today I made a phone call to a local real estate company. The loser counselor I have who left them a message last week (on behalf of me) didn't tell their voicemail the whole story. So I was embarrassed today because the b!tch who answered the phone got all pissed off when I brought up my interests and background knowledge. She thought we strictly wanted to talk about jobs, not company information.
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