I'm scared I'll act weird around Jewish people

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14 Nov 2014, 8:04 am

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What do you think you will do that is weird?

Stare at them too much, treat them differently, act "too friendly" and talk too much about Jewish stuff.


Jews are a race not a religion.

Jews that follow the Talmud as their religion have nothing in common with Christianity.

The Talmad is not about saving souls and spreading the word like the Bible.

As regards Jews themselves they are just individuals and many of them do not even believe in God.

Jews that do follow religion do not all follow the same religion much like other religions are broken into sects.

OP your obsession is not based on a real understanding of the subject.

There are a number of Jewish members on this board and like the rest of us Autism is what has most impact on thier lives not race or religion.

OP if you want to join a religion go and find one that actually wants converts or better still do a Homer Simpson and start your own. :D

I was raised Catholic but if somebody had an obsession with that religion I would give the same advice.

OP I know you won't drop your obsession but I had to give it a try.


Please explain your comment that Judaism is a race not a religion? What makes Jews physically different to other religions? How would you explain people who convert to it? Were they born Jewish and not know it? If you are correct it would make sense that a doctor would be able to check for Jewish genes. Yes? :scratch:



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14 Nov 2014, 10:24 am

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Or, if you prefer to ask questions, openly, I will answer as respectfully as possible.


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First of all I consider you a person.

Secondly I consider you a person on the spectrum just like me. :)

I would like to ask a few questions via PM if that is ok.


That's ok.



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14 Nov 2014, 10:34 am

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What makes Jews physically different to other religions?

They would have a common ancestor in Isaac.

Anglo-Israelists believe that English speaking peoples descended from Ephraim and Manasseh.

This line of discussion assumes that the Bible, and other, comparable texts, accurately portrayed a genealogy of patriarchs, who founded respective nations of people.

Modern science tests these assumptions through genetics, for instance, whether groups of people share a common ancestor.

(Some of these questions are very involved, it will take me a while to answer appropriately.)



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14 Nov 2014, 11:03 am

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How would you explain people who convert to it?

Judaism recognizes conversion, in the first five books of the Christian Bible aka Torah.

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Were they born Jewish and not know it?

I was born with Jewish ancesty, and didn't know it.

Foreign govts sought to hide this information, in order to unify the people, yet kept the records for themselves. You could pay to see it, as tensions eased.

I have also found names, phonetically equivalent to mine, being used by people, who still remember their heritage.

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If you are correct it would make sense that a doctor would be able to check for Jewish genes. Yes?


Yes. In short, a majority of any given group will have the same, or comparable numbers.

In my experiences with genetic profiling services, they ask for a swab of saliva. There is a narrow, rectangular piece of plastic, typically like a credit card, with a piece of felt on the end. You're supposed to rub this on the inside of your cheek, put it in a test tube of preservative, and mail it as fast as possible.

Once you get past putting something strange in your mouth, and the chemical smells, this seems convenient, cut, and dry.

But, it takes many weeks and months, for labs to analyze the sample.

I was able to get lots and lots and numbers, but their interpretation was vague or minimalistic.

I found myself pulling charts from published research, and comparing tables for myself.



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14 Nov 2014, 11:26 am

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Jews that follow the Talmud as their religion have nothing in common with Christianity.

The Talmad is not about saving souls and spreading the word like the Bible.

As regards Jews themselves they are just individuals and many of them do not even believe in God.

Jews that do follow religion do not all follow the same religion much like other religions are broken into sects.


In fact, when you read these texts, and compare them for clarification, they are the writings of men, individuals, giving their interpretations of Mosaic law.

The ostensible purpose of Judaism, to Jews, beyond securing their existence as a people, is to restore the world to it's pristine, former state.

According to Christianity, the purpose of Judaism is to illustrate the concept of separation, as according to absolute moral authority.

Christians believe that it is impossible to comprehend grace, if there is no such thing as a trespass.



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14 Nov 2014, 11:43 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
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Or, if you prefer to ask questions, openly, I will answer as respectfully as possible.


sharkattack wrote:

First of all I consider you a person.

Secondly I consider you a person on the spectrum just like me. :)

I would like to ask a few questions via PM if that is ok.


That's ok.


Thanks but do you know what I have changed my mind this is somebody's special interest we are here to discuss our Autism.

With one of my big special interests Star Wars there is a board for it so I keep it away from here. :lol:

However to the OP of this thread May The Force Be With You. :P



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14 Nov 2014, 11:50 am

I'm sure, in the TV section, that the people there wouldn't mind discussing Star Trek.

I grew up on the Original Series--that's still my favorite.

Special Interests and autism are frequently related to each other. The key: don't be obnoxious about your Special Interest.



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14 Nov 2014, 11:52 am

It could be said that there is a sort of "exoticism" pertaining to Sephardic Jews.

As for Ashkenazi Jews, I am one, so it's not exotic.



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14 Nov 2014, 11:52 am

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I'm sure, in the TV section, that the people there wouldn't mind discussing Star Trek.

I grew up on the Original Series--that's still my favorite.

Special Interests and autism are frequently related to each other. The key: don't be obnoxious about your Special Interest.



I did not realise there was a TV section I am a Star Trek Nut too. :D

I like the original series but liked the Next Generation even more.



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14 Nov 2014, 11:54 am

There is a Television, Film, and Video section within "Topical Discussions."



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14 Nov 2014, 11:55 am

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There is a Television, Film, and Video section within "Topical Discussions."


I have only ever posted in this section and the adult section I never looked down at the other bits. :oops:



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14 Nov 2014, 12:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It could be said that there is a sort of "exoticism" pertaining to Sephardic Jews.

As for Ashkenazi Jews, I am one, so it's not exotic.


Someone with more expertise may correct me, if I am misspeaking, but the difference between Askenazic and Sephardic Judaism is that the Sephardic rite is supposed to incorporate Kabbalistic nuances.

Culturally speaking, the groups have roots in Islamist Spain or Medieval, northern Europe (which would probably seem more conventional to North Americans and Western Europeans.)

My interpretation of genetic tests is that these populations come from the same Middle Eastern source, in that remnants, who stayed behind, from the Diaspora, share the full range of variability. The chief rabbi of Jerusalem was a convert to the Sephardic rite, and intermarriage is frequent between the two groups. The Ladino dialect spoken by Sephardics, and the Yiddish dialect spoken by Ashekanizs, is reportedly going extinct.



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14 Nov 2014, 12:35 pm

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Thanks but do you know what I have changed my mind this is somebody's special interest we are here to discuss our Autism.


As it's still interesting to talk to AS people, but not always about autism, maybe, it would be more orderly, to have a section devoted to special interests.

In closing, I believe that most ethnicities are fairly assimilated, to whichever culture they're living in. Ancient history may or may not be a special interest.



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14 Nov 2014, 12:38 pm

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Thanks but do you know what I have changed my mind this is somebody's special interest we are here to discuss our Autism.


As it's still interesting to talk to AS people, but not always about autism, maybe, it would be more orderly, to have a section devoted to special interests.

In closing, I believe that most ethnicities are fairly assimilated, to whichever culture they're living in. Ancient history may or may not be a special interest.


Agreed about all the points you have just made here and I also sent you a PM. :)



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14 Nov 2014, 1:57 pm

sharkattack wrote:

Thanks but do you know what I have changed my mind this is somebody's special interest we are here to discuss our Autism.

With one of my big special interests Star Wars there is a board for it so I keep it away from here. :lol:

However to the OP of this thread May The Force Be With You. :P

I don't know any better place to discuss this.
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It could be said that there is a sort of "exoticism" pertaining to Sephardic Jews.

As for Ashkenazi Jews, I am one, so it's not exotic.

Apparently Spanish last names that end in ez are Sephardic. Both my parents have names like that. I went to this website about Sephardic last names I typed in a bunch of Spanish last names and it said that they were all "potentially Jewish". Now I'm not sure how useful that site is.


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14 Nov 2014, 2:24 pm

OP there have been two Jewish contributors on this thread I like the two of them.

This subject is complex people are not two dimensional.

We live in a politically correct world but the subject you raise did not begin in a world like now.


OP I could explain it but loads of people would get offended.


I like you too OP I am given you good advice pushing this subject here is not a good idea.

Lastly OP I could explain the whole subject in great detail with fairness and balance and nobody would get offended but we would all die of boardom.