My reaction when I first heard the story of Noah's Ark

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09 May 2006, 4:47 pm

Genesis 7:4-7 KJV wrote:
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him. And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

When I first read this part, I was a little surpised. For 600 years, Noah had to listen to other people in his life. So since there was an apocalypse coming, wouldn't he rather take advantage of it, and then do whatever he wants when the floodwaters receded? I mean, he finally had a chance to experience complete and utmost freedom; he could have been able to do whatever he wanted, with absolutely no one to stop him. Instead, he'll lose it by having to listen to other people all over again. (Well, God told him to bring them with him, but I was an atheist back then.)

Questions and/or comments are welcomed. Did anyone else have the same reaction to the given story?



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09 May 2006, 8:49 pm

My fisrt reaction to Noah's story was "Where did he put the dinosaurs ?"



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09 May 2006, 9:10 pm

There is real freedom only together with other.Freedom alone is a dumb freedom.



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09 May 2006, 10:59 pm

I hope you do not think that Noah and his ark really existed. Because if you do... it is the same as insisting that dragons and fairies exist. And as much as I like the idea of dragons and fairies, it is only mythology, and it would be extreme self-delusion to insist that they really exist/existed.



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09 May 2006, 11:09 pm

Yeah, and then he just went drinking and streaking and punished his son and all his descendants for looking...



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09 May 2006, 11:37 pm

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I hope you do not think that Noah and his ark really existed. Because if you do... it is the same as insisting that dragons and fairies exist. And as much as I like the idea of dragons and fairies, it is only mythology, and it would be extreme self-delusion to insist that they really exist/existed.

Mt pet dragonfairy is gunna beat you up for saying that! *cries broken-heartedly*


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09 May 2006, 11:43 pm

emp wrote:
I hope you do not think that Noah and his ark really existed. Because if you do... it is the same as insisting that dragons and fairies exist. And as much as I like the idea of dragons and fairies, it is only mythology, and it would be extreme self-delusion to insist that they really exist/existed.


I hope you are not trying to define reality for anyone else. I have no problem believing that Noah existed. And even if someone was not a Christian there is no reason to think that there is no truth in stories handed down.



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09 May 2006, 11:48 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
Genesis 7:4-7 KJV wrote:
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him. And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

When I first read this part, I was a little surpised. For 600 years, Noah had to listen to other people in his life. So since there was an apocalypse coming, wouldn't he rather take advantage of it, and then do whatever he wants when the floodwaters receded? I mean, he finally had a chance to experience complete and utmost freedom, and instead, he'll lose it by having to listen to other people all over again. (Well, God told him to bring them with him, but I was an atheist back then.)

Questions and/or comments are welcomed. Did anyone else have the same reaction to the given story?


When I was little I thought is was great that God would care about one man and his family (still do). While the rest of the world was doing evil towards one another, one man decided not to be like that and God recognized that and provided for him.



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10 May 2006, 6:01 am

walk-in-the-rain wrote:
I have no problem believing that Noah existed.


There you have it, folks. Proof that there is ALWAYS at least 1 person who will believe anything, regardless of how wildly and obviously ridiculous it is. There is no limit to how far humans can go in ignoring common sense. And don't forget, the core of the Earth is filled with marshmallows. Mmmm, marshmallows.

P.S. There is a difference between believing that something MIGHT be true, versus believing that something IS true.



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10 May 2006, 8:12 am

When I first heard it as a child trufully all I could think about was how much it must have smelled


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10 May 2006, 9:45 am

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walk-in-the-rain wrote:
I have no problem believing that Noah existed.


There you have it, folks. Proof that there is ALWAYS at least 1 person who will believe anything, regardless of how wildly and obviously ridiculous it is. There is no limit to how far humans can go in ignoring common sense. And don't forget, the core of the Earth is filled with marshmallows. Mmmm, marshmallows.

P.S. There is a difference between believing that something MIGHT be true, versus believing that something IS true.


LOL - and that proves that there is ALWAY one person who is so self absorbed that they insist that everyone must adhere to their belief systems. It is interesting to disagree when people insist that others can't or must believe the way they do - perhaps it is a little ODD, but more likely it is just MY logic and belief that while people can try and physically control others (like through force) that is not as easy when it comes to beliefs. Because if you don't give people that power - ie don't care what their opinion is - than they get frustrated and have little name calling tantrums. Happens every time and generally no matter what the topic of discussion is. Someone just did this very same thing when I disagreed that ABA was THE only acceptable therapy to treat autism. And there response was exactly the same - they are logical so therefore anyone who disagrees with them is illogical and "insert condescending statement here". Nice to know regardless of whether someone is NT or ASD they can still operate on the same behavior levels.



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10 May 2006, 10:03 am

emp wrote:
I hope you do not think that Noah and his ark really existed. Because if you do... it is the same as insisting that dragons and fairies exist. And as much as I like the idea of dragons and fairies, it is only mythology, and it would be extreme self-delusion to insist that they really exist/existed.


But there's actual historical evidence (archeological etc) that it's true - I've seen documentarys on TV about it.



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10 May 2006, 11:20 am

It could be a true story, but I don't think it was anywhere near the life changing world event that we hear about today. It was probably some guy with a bunch of animals, built a boat, and it rained so he put his animals in the boat. The rain probably was a bad flood that washed out his land and the surrounding areas and they probably moved. I don't think that God had much of a conversation about the flood with Noah, but it's likely that something like this happened a long time ago. I think most of the stories in the Bible are from people trying to create a history book about things and events. Since they couldn't explain many natural phenomena, they said that God did it. The same way he created the world in 7 days and Adam & Eve. How is that even possible? It was just humans trying to explain their world and somehow it became a religion that is still around today.



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10 May 2006, 12:14 pm

neongrl wrote:
But there's actual historical evidence (archeological etc) that it's true - I've seen documentarys on TV about it.


That is "TV Evidence". "TV Evidence" is not the same as real evidence. TV Evidence is created just for the purpose of entertaining the viewers. It is not genuine credible evidence, it is just a light piece of docu-trash (documentaries that sensationalize an issue and place entertainment value above accuracy).

The world being created in 7 days, Noah's Ark, it is obviously just mythology. As Sundy says, it is humans trying to explain their world. Primitive humans who had a poor understanding of their world.

mythology n. A body or collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors, and heroes.

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LOL - and that proves that there is ALWAY one person who is so self absorbed that they insist that everyone must adhere to their belief systems.


I do respect different opinions, but you are taking it too far when you expect me to respect a belief that is equal in status to insisting that dragon and fairies really existed. That is just plain ridiculous, and does not warrant any respect, not even as a different opinion.

Basically, what you are doing is saying "Batman really exists and saves people!", and then you chastise me for not respecting your opinion.

You are pointing up in the sky and saying "Look at the giant marshmallow man in the sky!! !" and I look up, see that there is nothing there, and call you crazy. And then you reply saying that I am so self-absorbed and insist that everyone believe as I do. I think you are abusing your right to be respected for having a different opinion. There is a difference between having a differing opinion/belief and saying things that should land you in a mental institution.

In other words, in order to be respected for your right to have a different opinion/belief, there must be at least a modicum of intelligence/reasoning/rationality behind it. But crap like Noah's Ark really is no different to saying that gnomes once ruled the world. It is only good for a laugh.

Does anyone respect the mad homeless bum who stands on the street corner and heckles people saying "The world is going to end tomorrow! The world is ending! Repent now!!". No, he is clearly insane. And as for the stories of the world being created in 7 days and Noah's Ark, insisting that these really happened is equally insane.



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10 May 2006, 2:29 pm

I just realized the fallacy in my "idealized" story of the Noah's Ark. Suppose he went inside by himself, and came out when the floodwaters subsided. Sure, he would have the rest of his lifetime to do whatever he wanted, and no one would have stopped him. He could stay up really late with no one to make him go to bed, wake up at really early with no one to rag him about it, eat only the foods he really likes, not have to go to do a minute of studying, play with any animal he wanted, and even pursue any of his obsessions (as you might have guessed, these were my childhood fantasies). But the fallacy is this: how would the human race continue after Noah's life ended, assuming the story is true?



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10 May 2006, 4:11 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
But the fallacy is this: how would the human race continue after Noah's life ended, assuming the story is true?


read the scriptures... Gen 6
17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark—you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.