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10 Sep 2011, 7:51 pm

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anti-cure is known as the autism pride movement. Look it up.

You made the claim, now provide the link.

Do the research. I'm not mentioning the organization(s). Autism pride began with the anti-cure movement. I was there talking to the people online who began it. I know a great deal about it. The constant methods are to blend identity with a disorder label and find offence over the smallest things to prevent "eugenics". It started in the U.K then spread to the United States.

Debating me you would have to have an extremely in-depth knowledge of it. Even AlanTurning in his pride makes remarks about selective genetics in the gene pool about sperm donations. That's a good context to his pride politics and is not about simply having overcome in life. It's a political life force in orgin with certain agenda's and whose agenda's will interfere with whatever may indirectly effect other agenda's. Compassion (they call pity) makes autism look inferior and they want to explain the inferior at times as the cobrid conditions.

I'd have to ask you to prove me wrong because I know so much about it and every-time I speak about it they find ways to attack my organization which is about inclusion opportunity because they fear what I say. Even the idea of compassion with inclusion can be seen as a threat to them that to reflect on the image of autism wrongly to some is a threat to prides agenda.

I ask for a real debate about these issues on YouTube with prior contract to redistribute. Other then that I've spent to much time in these issues. I have a job to be working on and cannot switch interest to easy.

Personally I have no pride in what holds me back but am proud of simply accepting I have a disability and overcoming in my own way. I do not need to redefine a disorder label to overcome. If people say bad things about autism that to me represents the barriers and I do not often take it personally unless someone was to call me autistic which is dehumanizing as I am not a label I am a human. Most people mean well by it though.

you dodged the question so i answered it for them.wikipedia does recognize the autism pride movement,but thers litte else.as far as you tube,i cant do it

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10 Sep 2011, 7:57 pm

There you got the evidence. The reason why I call them pride-mites which is response to calling people curebees who want cures (neutralizes the insult) is because they get their politics of abortion (eugenics) into every indirect matter. If you look deeper one has even made the U.K macro media. Aspergian Pride was much smaller. Autism Pride day is authored by anti-selective-abortion folks. I even interviewed the owner of Aspergian Pride and it was about her anti-eugenics agenda.

To put it simply. Autism pride in origin is not simply about being proud of yourself. It's just not and I'm confident 3rd parties would derive the same.

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10 Sep 2011, 8:02 pm

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yes but what im trying to understand is your motivation.your not a curebe your more pro services and anti poverty.where is the hard evidence that the so called pride movement is a problem for you

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10 Sep 2011, 8:09 pm

They attacked my organization and even on this forum a few did out of hatred. The anger where applicable has to do with abortion politics and can stem from autism pride whose roots ARE anti-eugenics. My goal was to study it as it manifest on this forum in a real-life manner. It has proven to me not to have changed that much at all on these internet forums. Abortion pride-mites commonly are hostile toward mainstream autism organizations as they seek to progress a perspective and agenda. Good thing for me State and Federal laws protect what I do and what it's becoming. Someone must qualify for services to be a self-advocate in context to those services so it cannot be penetrated by these politics on the outside.

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10 Sep 2011, 8:18 pm

ok, fair enough.you have made your point eliquently.i challenge you to make a post about something besides pride v cure

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10 Sep 2011, 8:33 pm

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ok, fair enough.you have made your point eliquently.i challenge you to make a post about something besides pride v cure

I am going to be making some flute songs from a Native American Flute with my recording studio equipment and software. It is a complete CD of songs to create awareness about inclusion. I no longer feel like my personal hopes can be effected by these issues. The same kinds of people go up against isolation awareness that are directly involved in the anti-eugenics pride movement.

My music is about inclusion and not abortion politics which is mainstream politics. I will post the first song here soon and after that as they are done. But I am going to work now on inclusion advocacy as the PR threat toward it has been been studied enough.

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11 Sep 2011, 8:00 am

ci wrote:

They attacked my organization and even on this forum a few did out of hatred.

Where? Who? Give me proof.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:06 pm

Your a broken record and act blind to evidence anyways. Others know of it and I'm not providing links to read it again.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:13 pm

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Your a broken record and act blind to evidence anyways. Others know of it and I'm not providing links to read it again.

Eurgh... I ask you for evidence behind your ideas: Provide the evidence. Stop trying to get around your need to provide it just because of some fanciful charge of bigotry.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:16 pm

It is clear whom hated and they were banned. Your otherwise not honest with yourself about the politics of pride. You and others have written the evidence concerning anti-eugenics agenda's. Your one of the authors of this philosophy and my point is it is conflicting the sensibility toward other issues. You are the evidence.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:35 pm

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It is clear whom hated and they were banned.

Is that a threat? I know the guy you were talking about but he wasn't banned for 'hating' on anybody. I would talk further on this but I am afraid that by doing so I might break the ToS which specifically disallows people from discussing and talking about why others were banned.

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Your otherwise not honest with yourself about the politics of pride.

'Pride' being a name that you gave it, a name that no one else would recognise unless they had been around you for a long time.

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You and others have written the evidence concerning anti-eugenics agenda's. Your one of the authors of this philosophy and my point is it is conflicting the sensibility toward other issues. You are the evidence.

Authors of what philosophy? I am the evidence? What is this? My existence isn't evidence for anything except the existence of myself and my ancestors! I don't write in favour of some anti-eugenics movement! In fact in particular hard-hit people I believe there are some things that need solving. I just want you to provide evidence for what you say. Though since you're just making blatant personal attacks at this point why should I even ask for evidence now?

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11 Sep 2011, 12:40 pm

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ci wrote:

It is clear whom hated and they were banned.

ci wrote:

Your otherwise not honest with yourself about the politics of pride.

'Pride' being a name that you gave it, a name that no one else would recognise unless they had been around you for a long time.

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You give me to much credit as I am not the reason for autism pride being relevant. My arguments have been about the psychological relevancy in image of autism politics and eugenics politics. It is rooted in the autism pride movement and a common arguments against Autism Speaks for instance and autism cure as well. The issues are dynamic one being relevant in arguments to the other and seem quit clearly linked in historical founding to present day pride agenda's. If you are unwilling to see the bigger picture of the issue then speaking with one another is not beneficial.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:53 pm

ci wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ci wrote:

It is clear whom hated and they were banned.

ci wrote:

Your otherwise not honest with yourself about the politics of pride.

'Pride' being a name that you gave it, a name that no one else would recognise unless they had been around you for a long time.

ci wrote:

You give me to much credit as I am not the reason for autism pride being relevant.

What? I said the word autism pride doesn't exist as an idea outside this forum. Only you and I and a few other guys know of this phrase. That you would suppose that autism pride is a commonly used phrase by people outside this forum casts your consciousness of any debate or argument to do with autism in to serious doubt. It's your invention. The real phrase I can think of is only an equivalent is Autism Rights Movement.

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My arguments have been about the psychological relevancy in image of autism politics and eugenics politics

You just accused me of saying that I say the USA are like Nazis.

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If you are unwilling to see the bigger picture of the issue then speaking with one another is not beneficial.

The bigger picture seems to be based on the existence of a fantastical philosophy of 'autism pride', a phrase you made up. Your evidence of its bunkruptcy as a way of thinking involve accusing ASAN of fraud and of using abortion 'to get attention' and then accusing me of being lazy or bigoted for not finding evidence myself of claims you made. Then you say you never accused me of being bigoted (after accusing me and AlanTuring of comparing the USA to Nazis before which you said you didn't need to provide any evidence because I was bigoted).

I think I covered everything.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:56 pm

Alright Mr .G I get it. If you do not want to realize something you make claims to the contrary without evidence yourself. My conversation with you has ended as of now. I was speaking about a macro political awareness movement as manifest in the micro politics of individuals whom also stake claim to pride. Not everyone with autism or everyone on this forum.

Also the Nazi stuff is really old.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:35 pm

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If you do not want to realize something you make claims to the contrary without evidence yourself. My conversation with you has ended as of now. I was speaking about a macro political awareness movement as manifest in the micro politics of individuals whom also stake claim to pride. Not everyone with autism or everyone on this forum.

Also the Nazi stuff is really old.

You accused me of saying that I compared the USA to Nazis! If you don't like it then don't bring it up! It's in the thread about sacrificing truth for political convenience thread or something. page 8. I don't see why I need proof to ask you to give proof for anything!

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11 Sep 2011, 1:43 pm

Yes you did. I don't want to spend 15 minutes again looking something up. A behavioral comparison in context to the anti eugenics pride.

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First: Where did they say human cleansing?
Second: [i]Just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean other people wont do it
Third: Just because the Americans fought the Nazis doesn't mean they wont ever do anything wrong
Fourth: Just because your father fought for a country doesn't mean the people in that country are faultless.
Fifth: How does saying that just because the Nazis did it mean it is less likely to happen? [/i]
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