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28 Jun 2012, 6:24 pm

I think if you're only spending one day shopping, you'd only be able to find at most 2 or 3 different pieces of clothing that fit properly, look cool, and are affordable.

I am incredibly selective about what I wear and I won't buy something unless it's close to a perfect fit (both size and for the look you're going for)

So replacing your entire wardrobe with stuff that looks great on you would take months, even if you really wanted to.

One thing you should try to steer clear of is any sort of clothing with obvious labels. maybe superficial girls will complement you based on the brand name but that's not the kind of girl you're aiming for.

What body type are you? I can recommend some clothing companies depending on what shape you are.


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28 Jun 2012, 8:58 pm

Body type? Well I'm a runner, but a damn weird looking one. Sticks for legs and arms coming out of a body. There's nothing to accentuate. I loathe form fitting clothes, I need loose and baggy.

But I just can't do it. I can't have this friend of mine figure out how clueless I am. I've never really bought my own clothes. Just get a few nice new shirts, shorts and kahkis for birthday and christmas, and that has suited me just fine.

Clothes have never mattered to be, apart from looking nice. I like to be unobtrusive and blend in. I don't like to stick out or make myself the source of mockery. I've worked long and hard to make my self respectable and to be taken seriously, and if I have a regret, it's that I asked my friends for help. Now they know I have trouble finding women on my own, and they probably think I'm sad, sad, sad. I've been good about keeping aspects of my life compartmentalized so my friends, family, professional contacts don't see anything about me that might negatively impact their opinion of me. I've got too many ambitions as a filmmaker to risk it all by not being taken seriously.

My plan is to "forget" about the email, and hope she forgets too. Gonna start some new film projects, and go run some more miles in this hundred degree heat, until I beat out of my head all these silly romantic notions I have.

I've got to learn to live within myself, and for myself, and be happy being alone, because I'm just so tired of trying to find somebody, and getting distracted from the work I think I'm meant to pursue. I'm simply not meant for dating.

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28 Jun 2012, 9:11 pm

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You're not going to get as much attention from girls if you continue to dress the way you do. I give talks at a lot of autism events. I frequently get questions about dating and hear stories. Some of these stories or told by aspies who have never even kissed but then I hear a lot of stories from aspies who've had experience dating. Based on my observations, the guys on the spectrum with more experience dating dress fashionably.

There are also a ton of guys with hardly any experience dating. For the most part, those guys dress exactly like you. They always wonder why they're getting no attention and when I tell them to wear more trendy clothes, they get very defensive about their "personal style" which generally is more generic than the fashion conscious aspies' wardrobe. In fact, there's a lot more variation and individualism in the way these "trendy" aspies dress. You have a lot more license for independent flare when you wear something other than khakis and polos.

I don't see how changing what you wear somehow makes you inauthentic to who you are. The pocket watch would actually be kind of cool if you dressed in a fashionable manner. You're
currently wearing khakis with tucked in polos. That doesn't make you unique in any way. You're not the only person who dresses in khakis and polos and you're certainly not the only aspie. You didn't come up with the idea of wearing khakis and polos so it isn't really something essential to your identify.

If you want to continue to dress that way because it makes you happy, that's your prerogative. But the simple fact is that if you stop wearing khakis with tucked in polos, you'll get more interest from girls (even cool girls who aren't shallow and aren't concerned with the wrong things).

By the way, those girls who wear whatever they want and don't seem to be concerned about
the latest trends and styles are usually pretty fashion conscious and spend a lot of time and energy picking out what they wear so that it looks good but still seems like they didn't try.


^This^

Try to wear something that expresses who you are rather than conceals it.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:32 pm

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Body type? Well I'm a runner, but a damn weird looking one. Sticks for legs and arms coming out of a body. There's nothing to accentuate. I loathe form fitting clothes, I need loose and baggy.

But I just can't do it. I can't have this friend of mine figure out how clueless I am. I've never really bought my own clothes. Just get a few nice new shirts, shorts and kahkis for birthday and christmas, and that has suited me just fine.

Clothes have never mattered to be, apart from looking nice. I like to be unobtrusive and blend in. I don't like to stick out or make myself the source of mockery. I've worked long and hard to make my self respectable and to be taken seriously, and if I have a regret, it's that I asked my friends for help. Now they know I have trouble finding women on my own, and they probably think I'm sad, sad, sad. I've been good about keeping aspects of my life compartmentalized so my friends, family, professional contacts don't see anything about me that might negatively impact their opinion of me. I've got too many ambitions as a filmmaker to risk it all by not being taken seriously.

My plan is to "forget" about the email, and hope she forgets too. Gonna start some new film projects, and go run some more miles in this hundred degree heat, until I beat out of my head all these silly romantic notions I have.

I've got to learn to live within myself, and for myself, and be happy being alone, because I'm just so tired of trying to find somebody, and getting distracted from the work I think I'm meant to pursue. I'm simply not meant for dating.

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Why are you getting upset about some friend's subjective opinion? I don't think you have to dress fashionably in order for you to date successfully.It sounds like your clothes are clean and you don't have any issues with hygiene.I would speculate your style in clothes is only a very small part of the problem,if it is a problem at all.Can you be objective about why what you are doing hasn't worked for you and try to change the behaviour until it does work.Perhaps you need to make different choices about who to go after and you need to choose a different approach.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:47 pm

Because I want people to like me for me, and when I discover a friend thinks I don't dress so hip or fashionably it hurts. I want to be well regarded by everyone.



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28 Jun 2012, 10:07 pm

It doesn't mean you're not well regarded. She's still your friend, she obviously likes you whether she likes your style or not. No one likes everything about someone. It's what they feel about you overall that's important. Everyone has different tastes and likes, so it's really impossible for everyone to like everything about someone.



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29 Jun 2012, 12:40 am

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Guess you missed Alex's advice.

If you don't want to change; at least untuck your shirt. A tucked in shirt in an informal social situation can send negative signals.


This^



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29 Jun 2012, 1:01 am

Just thought Id put it out there that this isnt a black and white thing.

You can try going shopping with your friend and finding something that you like and is somewhat fashionable and combine it with something thats old fashioned.
Also you dont have to throw out your entire wardrobe. You can get a shirt and see how it feels/the results if you want to make a really informed decision


I have shirts that happen to be the latest season of some in tm(have a thing for sales and I can take a lot of time looking through things until I find something that is "me") and I have shirts that happen to be from several ages ago/out of style, they are still me but for different occasions.

Some people have told me that this is crazy and I could just stick to the "cool" clothing I have and give the other things away but I explain them that Im many things and that means Im not always dressing "cool" because Im not going to be defined by whatever clothing I wear.
If someone has an issue with this they are encouraged to ignore me because Im not going to change anytime soon.



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29 Jun 2012, 2:07 am

You don't really need to even change your wardrobe, just making adjustments that make you more appealing and highlight your better features is all that is required.

Given your body type, you want to avoid polo shirt or V neck shirts and stick to more crew neck shirts.

Pinstripe suits and vertically striped dress shirts will suit you as they will add a sense of height to your body.

Dress in proportion to your body, wear clothes that show you are confident in your body.

Hair style is important, go to a hair stylist and ask for the best type of style that will suit your head.

Avoid wearing logo shirts.

If you have a tall body type, try breaking it up by mixing the colours up, a double breasted blazer that is tailored to fit would be worth looking into and remember to go for vertical stripes.

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Again, dressing in proportion is important when it comes to jackets, a jacket that is too short will emphasize a taller and leaner build and a jacket that is too long or baggy will make you look like a potato sack.

Buy a skinny jacket that is in proportion to your body, they can go well with turtle neck and dress shirts. A cropped brown leather jacket would suit you because you can even wear brown with beige as the two colours complement each other.

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29 Jun 2012, 3:22 am

where do you live that you see men in turtlenecks?
I've only really seen them in period movies and on stereotypical "nerdy" or "out of touch characters
Michael Fassbender looks good, but he's also in the fictional 60's
I suspect that may be a regionalism (in my area for men to not wear them)
I'm not trying to disagree with you, just curious


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29 Jun 2012, 3:45 am

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where do you live that you see men in turtlenecks?
I've only really seen them in period movies and on stereotypical "nerdy" or "out of touch characters
Michael Fassbender looks good, but he's also in the fictional 60's
I suspect that may be a regionalism (in my area for men to not wear them)
I'm not trying to disagree with you, just curious


I suppose they are more common in the United Kingdom and Europe, here's a good article from someone in New York when it comes to turtle necks so maybe you aren't spotting them. http://www.thestyleblogger.com/2615/the ... -the-race/

Here's another UK article on turtle necks http://uk.askmen.com/fashion/trends_400 ... n_men.html

I'm surprised that men in your area don't wear them as I have seen quite a few American celebrities wear them but I suppose it's not as common for men in the States to wear them.

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29 Jun 2012, 3:53 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
where do you live that you see men in turtlenecks?


I do live in Kent and well you live in New York, of course the fashions are going to be different since they are completely different places. As for Brian, I would suggest that he makes note of the trends that are more fashionable in his specific area.

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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... 0QXxxuX_DQ

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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... 0QXs_9z_DQ



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29 Jun 2012, 4:04 am

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Body type? Well I'm a runner, but a damn weird looking one. Sticks for legs and arms coming out of a body. There's nothing to accentuate. I loathe form fitting clothes, I need loose and baggy.

But I just can't do it. I can't have this friend of mine figure out how clueless I am. I've never really bought my own clothes. Just get a few nice new shirts, shorts and kahkis for birthday and christmas, and that has suited me just fine.

Clothes have never mattered to be, apart from looking nice. I like to be unobtrusive and blend in. I don't like to stick out or make myself the source of mockery. I've worked long and hard to make my self respectable and to be taken seriously, and if I have a regret, it's that I asked my friends for help. Now they know I have trouble finding women on my own, and they probably think I'm sad, sad, sad. I've been good about keeping aspects of my life compartmentalized so my friends, family, professional contacts don't see anything about me that might negatively impact their opinion of me. I've got too many ambitions as a filmmaker to risk it all by not being taken seriously.

My plan is to "forget" about the email, and hope she forgets too. Gonna start some new film projects, and go run some more miles in this hundred degree heat, until I beat out of my head all these silly romantic notions I have.

I've got to learn to live within myself, and for myself, and be happy being alone, because I'm just so tired of trying to find somebody, and getting distracted from the work I think I'm meant to pursue. I'm simply not meant for dating.
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All of this is SO fascinating to me (an NT with a crush on an Aspie)
Clothing IS so personal, no matter how hard you may try to make it "not matter" since we cant go out in public nude, we cannot escape clothing and therefore- what it represents!
OK, I respect your desire to be authentic to yourself, but you are not realizing something- your authentic self is changing! (That's a good thing!) So you are conflicted, which makes sense. Part of you wants to remain loyal to the old you. Part of you is very protective of the old you. BUT part of you is ready to acknowledge the NEW you, the you that is getting ready for a girlfriend and the part of you that is just growing and developing, ie, changing. New clothes can represent ALL of this. I would suggest going with your friend to help choose clothes bcs life is always better with a friend. Let her know of your dilemma. She'll probably get it and actually be flattered that you are letting her in to your world and your thinking and feeling. I know I would be flattered and honored. (But I'm super cool- not everyone is like me! :) )Anyway, just go slow and keep some of who you are while experimenting and playing around with parts you might want to change. Ultimately, YOU have to be comfortable with what you wear, so your friend cannot be the "DECIDER"! !

OK, I have to say also- the part of your post I included above in quotes--- is SO revealing to me of what I am probably dealing with myself with the Aspie I have a crush on. I have suspected a thinking process EXACTLY as you share with my guy and it really makes it hard- if not impossible to get anywhere with him. He is prideful, scared- scared of being hurt, scared of ANYTHING that might interfere with his career ambitions, (including opening up to me more), he is afraid to ask for help from his friends or to admit he may even need help (things that are highly recommended for healthy adults!). It's OK to ask for help in life. If these ppl really are your friends they will be happy to help. They will then share their weakness' with YOU and you will actually deepen and enrich your friendship. It too, willl bcm more authentic as it too grows and develops. My friend too worries SO MUCH about appearing competent and independent (which is ironic bcs isnt that a case of worrying obsessively about IMAGE- much like a person's clothing?) that he suffers lonliness and lack-of-girlfriend- ness. I think that in the end, he will never feel safe enuf or comfortable enuf to open up to me even tho I know he likes me and I cant force him. I am learning that his feelings may be based in past traumatic experiences, but its hard to watch someone you KNOW wants to share his life with someone special (when I want to also!) but he has even more powerfully conflicting feelings...and so much of it frankly- just like with you- appears to be based on EGO, and a desire to not NEED anyone. This really isnt healthy. Thanks for your honesty and just think- there may be a cute and cool chick out there just waiting and wishing for YOU - but you were more concerned about looking "cool" and being ambitious than in being happy with her. I say you really CAN have it all.



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29 Jun 2012, 4:05 am

alex wrote:
You're not going to get as much attention from girls if you continue to dress the way you do. I give talks at a lot of autism events. I frequently get questions about dating and hear stories. Some of these stories or told by aspies who have never even kissed but then I hear a lot of stories from aspies who've had experience dating. Based on my observations, the guys on the spectrum with more experience dating dress fashionably.

There are also a ton of guys with hardly any experience dating. For the most part, those guys dress exactly like you. They always wonder why they're getting no attention and when I tell them to wear more trendy clothes, they get very defensive about their "personal style" which generally is more generic than the fashion conscious aspies' wardrobe. In fact, there's a lot more variation and individualism in the way these "trendy" aspies dress. You have a lot more license for independent flare when you wear something other than khakis and polos.

I don't see how changing what you wear somehow makes you inauthentic to who you are. The pocket watch would actually be kind of cool if you dressed in a fashionable manner. You're currently wearing khakis with tucked in polos. That doesn't make you unique in any way. You're not the only person who dresses in khakis and polos and you're certainly not the only aspie. You didn't come up with the idea of wearing khakis and polos so it isn't really something essential to your identify.

If you want to continue to dress that way because it makes you happy, that's your prerogative. But the simple fact is that if you stop wearing khakis with tucked in polos, you'll get more interest from girls (even cool girls who aren't shallow and aren't concerned with the wrong things).

By the way, those girls who wear whatever they want and don't seem to be concerned about the latest trends and styles are usually pretty fashion conscious and spend a lot of time and energy picking out what they wear so that it looks good but still seems like they didn't try.



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29 Jun 2012, 1:51 pm

alex wrote:
Trying out new wardrobes with friends is something you'd do for fun. If it's incredibly stressful for you to try on some clothes you've never worn before, you're taking life too seriously.

The idea is to look good for yourself.

If you think you look like a tool and a chump, which is how you described yourself, you're going to feel like one and I don't know why anyone would be comfortable with that.

Also its fun to dress in a different ways and see how people react. Take life less seriously and you'll enjoy it more. I used to worry about every little thing like that and it didn't make me happy.


I'd agree with this advice, OP. If your clothes negatively effect the way you feel about yourself and carry yourself, it's probably worth it to be open-minded about trying something new. You could start small with one or two new outfits picked out with your friend's help and gage how wearing them makes you feel. If the experiment doesn't make you feel any more confident, you can always go back to dressing the way you usually do.

And, by the way, Alex, happy belated birthday.



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30 Jun 2012, 4:15 pm

Do you actually want to attract girls is the question? If the way you are dressing is turning girls off, then that is a huge issue. Or do you just want to maybe attract a girl once every 5 yrs. Let me remind you, that any girl you might attract, there is no guarentee. So I wouldnt consider dressing unflattering as a good filtering technique.

See I once knew an aspie guy who dressed pretty bad. He would wonder why many women would be quick to tag him as a potential threat or sexual harasser when he wasnt. So in turn, he would generally avoid even just making small talk with women he only knew lightly. He might just greet them and thats it. Well he had long hair, pot belly, wore leather jackets, jeans, steel toe boots, and was almost 40. However he did manage to take advantage of me when I was 19 because I was super naive and desperate back then and had no experiance dating guys. Of course it did not work out. When I look back in retrospect, I see very clearly why most women would not even want to come near him.

My point is, if your outfit is very unappealing, dont expect yourself to get dates. We do live in a shallow world.