so if you didn't feel like you had to get a girl....

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By the time I pull my concealed-carry weapon out of wherever it might be concealed, it's probably too late. A knee to the groin or an elbow to the solar plexus is much quicker and easier to enact.

A simultaneous hard palm slap to both ears is a good one, too. It's unexpected, effective and it's gonna take a while for the guy to recover

You're missing my whole point. Basically those groups that claim to defend women, see them as incompetent. Also to add to your argument, what if your attacker has a gun themselves, or a knife, or any other kind of weapon?

This is the type of bs I'm talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhKSDu9MkV8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser

This one is cool, I want a batman version.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-oNMHNrS-8[/youtube]

um...but I wasn't promoting real guns.

One of the reasons I live where I live is for the low rate of violent crime. I don't feel the need to walk around fully armed, any time of day or night (unless I'm in the mountains, in which case I might need a gun for the mountain lions). I rarely travel to big cities, and when I do, I don't go out alone at night.

Boo, as a woman who's actually been attacked violently -- while in excellent physical condition, in fact on my way home from the gym where I was working -- I can tell you that what you're advocating is complete BS. The best way to protect yourself, if you are a woman trying to defend yourself from violent men, is to live in a safe, well-policed area.

I went through this nonsense after my house was burgled, btw, and I was shopping for an alarm system. All kinds of macho morons crawled out of the woodwork to visit their Batgirl fantasies on me. You know what works well? The combination of a monitored alarm system and police who show up in under five minutes. Also going to city council meetings and getting loud and public about rising crime rates, so that police forces are adequately staffed and your neighborhood adequately patrolled.

I may get some flak for this, but I would argue that men have to be just as safe as women when out and about alone. If someone puts a gun to your head to rob you, it doesn't really matter what gender you are or how much self defense training you have. I've been mugged before, and had family members who were beaten up by people after their wallets.

This frightens me so much. I don´t ever wanna go through that.

you might be amazed to learn that NOT being harassed and ogled on a relatively regular basis when you go out in public by yourself, day or night, can add a great deal to a person's sense of personal safety, and can leave them wonderously free of concern for the need to protect themselves so they can actually go about their day.

since i've lost weight i am much more visible to a greater number of people, especially men--just attracting the notice of more men increases my odds of one of them being a habitual-boundary-tester, verbal harasser, ass-grabber, etc. and being aware of this increased visibility adds to my daily struggle with being able to go out and get what i need to get done for myself without being given a hard time by some a**hole just for being a female alone in public. it's hard to understand if it's not something you experience regularly yourself.

the a**hole guys are a small minority--i know that they are--but when they're out in public they are an extremely vocal minority--they make their presence known to you when you are a female alone in public. in some ways, it's like having a target on you--if there happen to be such guys out in public at the same time as you, they will pick you out of a crowd just for being by yourself, because they're just a**holes like that. i just think it would be nice more often to hear one of their buddies tell them to back off or shut their yap, instead of laughing along like it's a big joke or egging them on, which is what often happens if it's a group of younger men.

i'm not trying to give you flack or anything, just something to think about is all.

edit* to add: i don't mean to sound arrogant, i'm not suggesting this happens to me more often than other people because of the way i look--i actually think it has little to do with how i look and more to do with the fact that pretty much every single time i go out in public, unless it's during a visit from my brother/BFF who lives out of town, i am by myself; and if you are by yourself, male or female, you are more vulnerable to bully types.

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I don't disagree with this at all. Gun to head >> my wallet or any other of my belongings. I'd be much less inclined to fight back, however, over them wanting my wallet than I would be them attempting to rape me.

Here's a link with quite a bit of data (see Figure 2): http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvcs9310.pdf

I'm not suggesting that women don't have to be careful: I'm suggesting that everyone has to be careful when they go places.