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Moulin
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08 Mar 2011, 4:04 pm

Oh the title will only allow a certain amount of characters. I feel awkward asking girls out because I think they will be embarrassed by me asking because they will think, "who the hell is this guy asking someone like me out." It is okay for me to be friends with girls but if I ask them out that will just be problematic. In September I wanted to ask a girl who was a classmate of mine on a date but I was afraid to because I thought she would be angry at me for crossing a social line. I can't really overcome this fear that is partly based in rejection but rejection on the basis that I am sub-human. I have to constantly make sure I am well cleaned and that I am in good appearance but I don't know how to be stylish and I just take a shower. I also think I have a speech impediment and things in my words come out oddly and people laugh at me because my voice is weird and so forth.



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08 Mar 2011, 4:11 pm

I'm not exactly a hit with the ladies either, so I can't help you too much there, but I can say that it is rarely a good idea to decide for someone else whether they will like you or not, especially if you're an Aspie and have no f*cking clue what other people are thinking anyway.

Just ask and let them reject you (or not) fair-and-square...



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08 Mar 2011, 4:13 pm

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I'm not exactly a hit with the ladies either, so I can't help you too much there, but I can say that it is rarely a good idea to decide for someone else whether they will like you or not, especially if you're an Aspie and have no f*cking clue what other people are thinking anyway.

Just ask and let them reject you (or not) fair-and-square...


Decide for someone else .. I don't understand what you mean by that. I am just trying to mind-read what people are thinking. NTs can mind-read like a snap of a finger.



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08 Mar 2011, 4:22 pm

I don't think most people think "this person thinks they are good enough for me and they aren't!" when someone they aren't interested in asks them out.

I think they are usually just flattered and maybe feel a bit bad that they have to turn the person down. And honestly, if someone does think you aren't good enough for them, then they really aren't good enough for you, if you are a real person with any decency.

It's fine to analyze your faults and try to improve on them, but you really aren't in a position to judge whether someone else see's you as good enough for them or not, and by doing so, you aren't giving yourself a chance.



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08 Mar 2011, 5:12 pm

I find that boring people like boring people. If you are different, try to find people that are different as well. I have had many unconventional relationships, most of which were fun. I couldnt imagine wanting to spend time with a vanilla person who lives for a world where everything should be "normal".



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08 Mar 2011, 5:17 pm

IMCarnochan wrote:
I find that boring people like boring people. If you are different, try to find people that are different as well. I have had many unconventional relationships, most of which were fun. I couldnt imagine wanting to spend time with a vanilla person who lives for a world where everything should be "normal".


Interesting. I have met women who would fit the "different" category.



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08 Mar 2011, 5:24 pm

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Interesting. I have met women who would fit the "different" category.


In my findings it works, I dont want to be with someone who is obsessed with their career or money, I want someone who likes to play video games and have fun. I'm always going to be drawn to people who are off of the bell curve.



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08 Mar 2011, 5:38 pm

My Goth narcissistic ex-girlfriend used to call everybody vanilla. She thought she was above everybody and she'd get so flustered when I told her that nobody is above anybody. Then she'd say something like "Well I'm not above a medical doctor" and I told her if I had a choice between saving her life or some medical doctor I don't know I'd save hers, "so how could he possibly be above you?"

You should have the attitude that NOBODY is above you or out of your league. A lot of aspies have trouble recognizing social hierarchies (me included) so it shouldn't be that much of a stretch. Learn how to recognize rejection, because I've had problems with that, girls trying to let me down easy not being clear that they weren't interested. Once you recognize rejection don't let it phase you, it's not you that's the problem and there are plenty of fish in the sea. Move on and try try again.

I'd try goth type girls or even metal-head type girls if I was you, they are usually much more accepting of differences. Just don't be surprised when you run into some drama from hidden issues they may have later.



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08 Mar 2011, 5:38 pm

I think there is a funny bit in the movie Adaption that covers this:

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Charlie Kaufman: There was this time in high school. I was watching you out the library window. You were talking to Sarah Marsh.
Donald Kaufman: Oh, God. I was so in love with her.
Charlie Kaufman: I know. And you were flirting with her. And she was being really sweet to you.
Donald Kaufman: I remember that.
Charlie Kaufman: Then, when you walked away, she started making fun of you with Kim Canetti. And it was like they were laughing at *me*. You didn't know at all. You seemed so happy.
Donald Kaufman: I knew. I heard them.
Charlie Kaufman: How come you looked so happy?
Donald Kaufman: I loved Sarah, Charles. It was mine, that love. I owned it. Even Sarah didn't have the right to take it away. I can love whoever I want.
Charlie Kaufman: But she thought you were pathetic.
Donald Kaufman: That was her business, not mine. You are what you love, not what loves you. That's what I decided a long time ago.
Donald Kaufman: Whats up?
Charlie Kaufman: Thank you.
Donald Kaufman: For what?


There is nothing wrong with making passes. You are being honest and doing your best. Most people will try to let someone down easily if they arent interested. There may be some who don't have the tact, skill or empathy to do it properly but most will try.

Sometimes they result in temporary embarrassment but that shouldnt stop you from trying.



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08 Mar 2011, 10:01 pm

Mack27 wrote:
You should have the attitude that NOBODY is above you or out of your league. A lot of aspies have trouble recognizing social hierarchies (me included) so it shouldn't be that much of a stretch. Learn how to recognize rejection, because I've had problems with that, girls trying to let me down easy not being clear that they weren't interested. Once you recognize rejection don't let it phase you, it's not you that's the problem and there are plenty of fish in the sea. Move on and try try again.


What if you get nothing but rejections? Is it more likely that dozens of women are at fault or just me? The latter would seem to be the more probable explanation...



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09 Mar 2011, 12:42 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
Mack27 wrote:
You should have the attitude that NOBODY is above you or out of your league. A lot of aspies have trouble recognizing social hierarchies (me included) so it shouldn't be that much of a stretch. Learn how to recognize rejection, because I've had problems with that, girls trying to let me down easy not being clear that they weren't interested. Once you recognize rejection don't let it phase you, it's not you that's the problem and there are plenty of fish in the sea. Move on and try try again.


What if you get nothing but rejections? Is it more likely that dozens of women are at fault or just me? The latter would seem to be the more probable explanation...


Try to learn from every one and turn it into a positive. I asked a girl after a rejection what I was doing wrong and she told me. They won't always, but some of them will.



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09 Mar 2011, 10:30 am

So what is the most general way of asking a girl out on a date?



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09 Mar 2011, 11:35 am

I don't know if this will work for you, but here is how my husband, who has AS, asked me out.
We were very close friends, the kind that would talk for hours after school. My mom had suggested that we date for a long time, but neither of us wanted to ask the other because neither of us could read the other's signals. Well, one day, we decided to go to this place that offers bumper boats, go carts, and miniature golf. On the way there, the subject was brought up that both our mothers were pressuring us into asking the other one out. He asked if I would accept if he were to ask me and I said yes. That night, we went to his grandmother's for spaghetti and meatballs. I was so nervous that I hardly ate anything. On the way to my house, there was a long silence. He broke it by asking if I liked him; I responded by asking what way he meant. He said I knew which way he meant. At this point my heart stopped; I thought he was going to let me down easy like so many other guys before him. I squeaked out the words kinda; do you. He said yes and asked me if I would like to date him, and I said yes. He walked me to the door; we were both so excited we didn't know what to do, so we hugged. Apparently, he was so distracted with his excitement that he went to his parents' house instead of back to his grandmother's.



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09 Mar 2011, 5:05 pm

Here is a question: I don't think I will ever get a girlfriend how do I become content with that thought and not be envious of those who are in relationships?



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09 Mar 2011, 8:16 pm

H. P. Lovecraft and Nathaniel Hawthorne didn't seem to give a damn that they would always be alone. And they created great art. It's not your fault. People are pathetic. It's a fad, really. It is not worth the grief that it's going to put you through. Even if you possess true love for another, it makes no difference. I've already been through all this nonsense. I've known one other man that went through the exact same thing. It can truly ruin you. I make no exaggeration.



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09 Mar 2011, 9:23 pm

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H. P. Lovecraft and Nathaniel Hawthorne didn't seem to give a damn that they would always be alone. And they created great art. It's not your fault. People are pathetic. It's a fad, really. It is not worth the grief that it's going to put you through. Even if you possess true love for another, it makes no difference. I've already been through all this nonsense. I've known one other man that went through the exact same thing. It can truly ruin you. I make no exaggeration.


You're really too cynical for 21 years old.