Is the Bible actually against gay people?

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Or is it only against gay intercourse? It never really says anywhere in the Bible that it is wrong for people to feel sexual attraction to people of the same sex, it only speaks against engaging in gay sex.

I wouldn't let cults and their handbooks do your thinking for you.

The bible also describes mixed fibres as a sin, when it's clearly not a moral issue at all.
Homosexuality seems like as much of a moral issue as eating cheeseburgers is, which is to say not at all.

The biblical argument against it boils down to muh ritual purity and the people who use their holy book to peddle hatred against homosexuals mostly come off as repressed homosexuals themselves.

Everything was a religious issue back then. If they'd had jay walking, it would have been a sin as decreed by God. Which means, there might be a secular reason looking for a religious label.

I'm guessing that in their harsh environment, high attrition lifestyle, where men were dying in wars and large families were a survival strategy, polygamy would give the women one of the few husbands available (no welfare back then), and a way to increase the number of bambinos. Indeed, as I type this, I'm starting to wonder if that's why there were old men marrying young women. Because there were fewer young men. All one big survival strategy.

So how would guys who didn't want wives and procreation be perceived? Traitors? Undesirables?

Customs and standards get set in stone. Thus sayeth the Lord. And the vestigial rules outlast the catastrophe that birthed them.

And I think, theologically, that there are three periods of the bible. Not just Old and New Testaments.
1. The OT Period.
2. The Jesus Period.
3. The Paul and Co. Period.

The OT period mentions homosexuality. Maybe for the reasons I led with.
Jesus doesn't concern himself with it.
Paul and Co. mention it.

Modern 'Christians' look to the OT and Paul and Co. periods to back up their dislike of homosexuals, Except for 1 Corinthians 5: 9-13, which they studiously avoid. The Jesus bits tend to get avoided more and more.

I was going to stay out of it, but I must only say ... to your posting ... Amen!

No, it's "Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself", not "Love A Certain Kind Of Neighbor As Thyself."

When Martin Luther translated the Bible from Greek and Latin into German, he had a different take on that line from Leviticus, where "A man who lays with a man as with a woman is an abomination."
Luther maintained the actual reading was: "Any man who lays with a boy as with a woman is an abomination."
And so, according to Luther an the first Protestants, it's a condemnation of pedophilia rather than homosexuality.

The Leviticus laws governing homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13) were intended to be for God's chosen people which were the Israelites at that time. With Sodom that was pre Leviticus laws.

God gave his son to us Jesus Christ as a atonement for our sin as Christians. Jesus said to us to love God with all our heart and love our neighbour as ourselves. Christians are followers of Christ now and under a different covenant.
Nobody is perfect though and as humans we can sin. Christ is the only one who is perfect alone.

Jesus told us not to judge others and it is against the law as Christians (James 4:11). " Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law."

There today are some gay Christians who have the gifts of the Holy Spirit and work for the church so they are not considered unholy to have these priestly holy gifts.

Paul wrote that Christians should abstain from fornication for all of us so whatever relationship you are in fornication is not considered spiritual behaviour in Christianity. –(Acts 21:25). The King James version of the Bible which is the traditional version mentions fornication as a sexual immorality and not homosexuality as not advocated. “As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing....and from fornication.”

(1 Corinthians 6-9) is against sensuality but promotes marriage and chastity/abstinence for believers.

The greatest sin in the faith is against the Holy Ghost which is unforgiveable, everything else is forgivable to Jesus. (Matthew 12-32) "Wherefore I say unto you. All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven, neither in this world and in neither in the world to come."

The Bible is against unequal relationships and there is debate over the question of maloki. Galatins (3:28) is against unequal domination for all of us and the word, soft is being discussed in academic theological circles currently. It will be interesting to see where the maloki research ends. This maloki is what Paul is referring to in the Book of Corinthians (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

I know some people in same sex relationships who attend my church and are very respected. I attend an Anglican church as a non denominational.

That is interesting. I hadn't known that. Thanks.

Yeah, that does take the sting out of it, thank you!

Sure, anytime.

I'm left handed. It wasn't too long ago when everyone thought lefties were evil and satanic and would try to force them to use their right rand. Now people are more tolerant of us, in most western countries anyway. I don't get why the same can't be for lgbtq people.

^ Yes, old word-baggage - in Latin, "sinister" means "left" or "on the left side".
So it carries connotations of being inauspicious or unfavorable, which is reflected in its later use in English to describe something evil or ominous.

Rates of alcoholism and drug abuse are also very high in the Bible Belt.

They also have the highest rate of streaming/renting/buying gay porn than anywhere else in the country. Homophobia perhaps can be viewed as a secret, forbidden wish.

According to Ezekiel 16:49:

Nothing here about men having sex with other men.

The idea that Sodom was destroyed due to the latter is based on an interpretation of the Genesis story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, in which the "men of Sodom" attempt a gang rape of the angels who were visiting Lot. But what made this so awful wasn't merely that it involved men having sex with other men; it was an attempted gang rape. In modern terms, it might also be described as an anti-immigrant hate crime.

In keeping with the mindset of the time, attempting to rape the angels would be seen as a violation of basic hospitality. Guests in your home are to be treated kindly, not assaulted (sexually or otherwise).